Hermione WAS :Re: CHAPDISC: DH32, The Elder Wand

dumbledore11214 dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com
Fri Oct 31 17:16:25 UTC 2008


No: HPFGUIDX 184780

> Zara:
> I was curious what people would answer here. I did not notice this 
> moment, particularly, until I prepared to write the discussion and 
> read the chapter with attention to details, looking for questions. 
> This, like the birthday scene with Ginny, is for me a little hidden 
> gem, now that I found it. To me, it is a nice feminist moment. 
While 
> there is also some message there about Hermione having moved on 
from 
> her jealousy of Lavender and feeling secure in Ron's affection for 
> her, to me the more meaningful point here is not that *Lavender* is 
> being rescued, but that Hermione is rescuing a female *from 
Greyback*.

Alla:

I am not sure I understand how it is a feminist moment, you know? I 
mean, to me it is more like another look how great Hermione is moment.

I mean I would have understand the feminist moment much more if we 
see another female character who we never saw fighting before and now 
she got her chance to shine. I suppose Trelawney should count then 
for me.

But Hermione is **always** fighting, she is always on the headlines 
with Ron and Harry, she is always rescuing people, so if it is a 
feminist moment, to me it is very repetitious moment. IMO of course.

Oh, come to think of it, I would find it a perfect feminist moment 
too if Lavender was rescuing Hermione as I said before, or at least 
Lavender would have been rescuing herself. Now it would have been IMO 
great to show that girls, who are supposedly girly and only think 
about boys and makeup, are great fighters too.

Instead we have Hermione feeling contempt over those girls, then 
again Hermione overcoming that feeling, but those girls are still not 
as good? I do not see what is so feminist about that. 

Before anybody asks, NO I did not care about makeup and boys while I 
was at school LOL, I was very very much into books just as Hermione 
was. I do not particularly care for Hermione's bossiness, NOT her 
attitudes towards books. 

I mean I can certainly understand Hermione's contempt for Pansy, 
because I do think it is based on what Pansy stands for on the 
ideological level. But I really wanted Hermione to understand that 
people, who have the same views like her of the deeper issues, may 
not care for the same things she does and that girls who enjoy 
Divination may deserve some respect too.


Zara:
> I found the scene in Malfoy Manor where he was leering repulsively 
> over Hermione and hoping he would get to play with her after Bella 
> was done, really creepy. One of the creepiest parts in the book. So 
I 
> was delighted to discover that Hermione was given a chance to 
strike 
> back in this scene.
>

Alla:

Well, sure yes, I just again do not see what is so feminist about 
that. I am glad that she got that chance too. But she always gets 
chances IMO.

Hickengruendler:

I think she got some lesson with the centaur incident in OotP. She
wasn't right, there.

Alla:

What lesson do you think she learned and how was she not right? I 
mean seriously I think she was lucky to get out alive, but what do 
you think she learned?

Hickengruendler:
However, she does witness Trelawney knocking off the werewolf, so
maybe that is something? I do think she has more respect for Lavender
or Parvati, than she has for Trelawney, anyway.

Alla:

Right as I said to Zara, I suppose Trelawney does count as feminist 
moment for me and the fact that Hermione sees it, maybe will teach 
her not to judge people once and forever. I am not sure though that 
she has any respect for Lavender and Parvati either, but JMO.

Alla






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