HBP post DH look Chapters 1-2.

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No: HPFGUIDX 184290

> Leah:
> It's not a given, in that it is never actually confirmed in the 
text 
> that this is the injury DD has sustained, but the great likelihood 
> is that it is the ring injury because:
<SNIPS good reasons>
>> There is also the point that there is absolutely 
> no need for Snape to mention Dumbledore's injury to Bellatrix (he 
> would obviously have had to tell Voldemort but that's different).  
> Snape is trying to convince Bellatrix that he is loyal; 
Dumbledore's 
> injury has nothing to do with that, and I think that little bit of 
> speech was inserted precisely so that, when read eventually in 
> conjunction with 'The Prince's Tale', it would demonstrate that 
> Snape had promised to kill Dumbledore before taking the vow.   

Alla:

I snipped your good reasons and yes, I agree that Snape did not need 
to mention it to Bella in the first place, so I think I am convinced 
that this was the ring injury. And yes, it makes sense that it was 
inserted to show that Snape had promised to kill Dumbledore before 
taking the vow. I did not doubt that part after reading DH  :-). I 
mean, I did not doubt that Snape promised to kill Dumbledore before 
taking the vow.

I was just confused about the ring injury  because I did not connect 
how it all fits in the timeline, I think. In any event, am convinced 
about that part, thank you.

 
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> 
> > 
> > Alla:
> > 
> > Same question. From Dumbledore, right? We do not have any 
> independent 
> > support for the premise that Voldemort already told Snape about 
> the 
> > plan, yes?
> 
> Leah:  How would Dumbledore know of the plan except from Snape, his 
> spy?  If Snape doesn't know of the plan until Dumbledore 
> tells him, then it is not much use Dumbledore keeping him as a spy 
> (<g>).

Alla:

Oh LOL, now that is a major DUH moment indeed. Unless of course 
Dumbledore had other spies which we never knew about, hehe. I kept 
thinking that those Spies mentioned by Fudge will appear, but since 
they are not, sure, for Dumbledore to know Snape had to learn from 
Voldemort.



Leah:
> Why did Snape take the vow?  To convince Bellatrix of his loyalty, 
> to protect his friends' son, to perhaps gain back Draco's trust and 
> therefore find out more about what Draco was planning, and as 
> lizzyben says, because here was a woman whom Snape seems to care 
> about, who has a son in danger, 
> and Snape is making amends for past mistakes in the same way that 
he 
> is protecting Harry for Lily.   Could be any or all of these.
> 
>

Alla:

Right, I guess I was just thinking that maybe I missed definite 
pointer to one of them and since I was not hundred percent sure on  
how much Snape knew about plan details, I figured maybe he wanted to 
learn those as well. But of course, any one of those will do.