HBP Chapter 20 Post DH Look

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 184385

> Pippin:
<SNIP>
> Dumbledore doesn't know what skills Harry will need to destroy the
> horcruxes. He's  teaching Harry to recognize his strengths, which
> include celebrity glamour. But in the event, Harry uses other
> strengths to retrieve the memory: his resemblance to Lily, and a 
legal
> truth potion (in vino, veritas.) His resemblance to Lily is rather
> important in DH, I'd say. So is the idea that superweapons are more
> trouble than they are worth. 

Alla:

Hmmm, but I was talking about final encounter and it was more 
concerned with Hallows and again, involved sacrifice. I was under 
impression that Dumbledore knew very well that to win Harry will have 
to sacrifice himself. Are you saying that he really was not sure?

And could you clarify about superweapons being more trouble than they 
are worth? Are you saying that Dumbledore grasped this idea or are 
you saying something totally different?



> Pippin:
> Voldemort doesn't really want  the teaching job, he's there to hide
> the horcrux and curse the DADA position. His henchmen are evidence 
of
> that, which is why it's unwelcome news that Albus knows about them.

Alla:

Interesting. I mean Albus is of course asking why is he really there, 
but I was under impression that Voldemort wanted what you described 
and that he would not minded teaching position as well - the only 
place he ever called home, etc.


Pippin:
> Voldemort would have found a reason to turn down the job if he'd 
been
> offered it, I fancy. His ambitions have grown far beyond being a
> Hogwarts teacher by this time. But he wanted it to be his idea, not
> Albus's. 

Alla:

Maybe you are right, I just did not get that from conversation.

Pippin: 
> I think Voldemort actually did the curse after he'd left the
> interview. He was tempted to do it right then, but restrained 
himself.


Alla:

Hmmm, and again I cannot prove or disprove it and you are likely 
right, but don't you think that he can make decision because of the 
emotion as well?


Joey:

But then who can know at this point as to what would be exactly
needed for the final encounter? It could be sacrifice, could be
presence of mind, could be manipulation, could be anything. 

Alla:

I don't know, you guys seem to be sure, but to me Dumbledore was very 
clear when he talks to Snape in DH. I think he was absolutely sure 
that Harry's willing death was needed. IMO of course.

Joe:
DD has
only interpreted what incidents meant but has never expected them to
happen with 100% certainty. <SNIP>


Alla:

Well, yes, sure, but to me it is summed up nicely when Dumbledore 
says that his guesses are usually right. Yeah, he tries to play 
modest guy, but I think he is meant to be right in the intellectual 
predictions part, just as Hermione. I mean, he misses the mark thank 
goodness so many times when he tries to play psychologist IMO, but I 
honestly do not remember when he was wrong on facts.

Joe:
For example, he never *knew* that the AK
curse will rebound on LV when he tried to kill Harry or that the
connection between the wands of Harry and LV will end up saving
Harry in GoF. He only interpreted them after these incidents took
place or when Harry narrated them. <SNIP>

Alla:

Well, yes, but this is what started the whole thing, right? The 
predicting only makes sense after initial event occurred IMO.

JMO,

Alla