Deathly Hallows reread CH 1 -3

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> Zara:
> I don't agree Albus was washing his hands of the situation.

Alla:

No, I would not say that Albus was washing his hands of the situation either, but I would definitely say that he was washing his hands of the ministry.

Zara:
The circumstances of Scrimgeour's death came as something of a shock to Harry and perhaps readers, but I don't think that Albus, had he still been around to hear the tale, would have found it surprising. And it does not really say much about bureaucracy, unless one considers the idea that there might be brave and principled people in bureaucracies a revelation.

Alla:

Well, if Albus would not have been surprised by it, I would say it is one more point against him that he did not try harder to work with Scrimgeour, if Albus thought that he was a worthy guy to work with, you know? 

Zara:
> Scrimgeour was a decisive, intelligent, powerful adult who was free to ignore (and did ignore) Albus's advice. We know Albus offered it; I think we know this may have been on more than one occasion. 

Alla:

And here is our big point of disagreement. I know that you are right and that somewhere in HBP we may find Albus offering some sort of advice to Ministry. I however confess to totally not remembering this part, but I think it is interesting (and it is not sarcasm at all from me, believe me) that I remember very well Scrimgeour coming to Harry for help on more than one occassion and getting... what exactly?

Now before you tell me that it was Harry's doing, I will tell you sure it was, however I still blame Albus for it. I blame Albus for not sitting Harry down and telling him that despite the fact that despicable monster of one Dolores Umbridge still works there (this is the reason why I just cannot blame Harry for it), there may be a need to work together with Minister and ministry.
 Rufus Scrimgeour wanted to get rid of Voldemort no less than Harry did, didn't he?

So, anyways, could you remind me where and when Albus offered advice to the ministry?

Zara: 
> Albus was also working on an independent track to deal with the Voldemort problem, which he chose not to share with the Ministry. SHould he have? My own answer is "no way". He had a spy on the inside who could report to him that the Ministry was being infiltrated, and who likely did not know the details. <SNIP>

Alla:

Eh, I am not suggesting that he should have shared the name of the spy either. But to me there were plenty other routes to cooperate with Ministry (Harry's help would have been one of the most obvious) that he choose did not go to.

Zara:
Regarding Albus and teaching - I took Doge's quote about ALbus loving to be a teacher, to have been made at some point after Albus became a teacher. I do not think it was a childhood dream or ambition of his, but he gave up on ambition for power in society after Ariana died and he decided he could not trust himself with that sort of power. However, having chosen teaching as his career, I think it is quite credible that he did like it.

Alla:

Right, but he said it about their childhood years, no? But I see what you are saying.