DH reread CH 4-5

[montavilla47]

No: HPFGUIDX 186272

> > sartoris22:
>  You know, it always bothered me that Harry never said anything to the twins about the way they treat Ron, because Ron would have said something if someone was mistreating Harry. 
> 
> Pippin:
> It's a family quarrel. Ron wouldn't appreciate Harry butting in.


Montavilla47:
I think it's more of a family dynamic.  Ron never really quarrels with
the Twins. But I don't know why Ron wouldn't appreciate some 
support from Harry.  Harry always seemed to appreciate it when 
his friends butted in with his family.


> sartoris22:
> Ron has to get the basilisk fangs and recognize the elves before Hermione thinks he is worthy. Funnily enough, Hermione doesn't have to do anything extra to gain Ron's love. 
> 
> Pippin:
>  She had to make the boys look like heroes in the troll episode and she had to stop being such a prig about the rules. She had plenty of growing up to do, she just got through some of  it a little quicker. 

Montavilla47:
I don't know if she had to do the lie.  According to the narrator it was facing
the troll together that made them all friends.  And Ron was already halfway
to liking her when he realized that he'd hurt her.  He went right after Harry to
save her, even if she was annoying.


Pippin:
>  I think Hermione wanted to believe all along that Ron's heart would get to the right place about the House Elves (I certainly did) but she needed proof before she could trust her feelings about it. And she had to modify her own position as well.

Montavilla47:
Argh.  I agree that Hermione had to modify her position.  But I don't agree
that Ron's heart had to "get to the right place."  His heart was *aways* in 
the right place with the elves.  He understood that they liked to work and
he showed his appreciation by thanking them and giving Dobby a 
Christmas present.

I'm not sure that 14-year-old Ron would have remembered that there were 
elves to warn (since they were never seen), but, had he remembered, 
14-year-old Ron would have definitely have considered it *their choice* 
whether to stay and fight, or flee to safety.