Ron WAS: Re: DH reread CH 4-5

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> Magpie:
> I don't perceive it that way either and I'm a reader. "Right vs. easy" translates into a paticularly type of choice and no, I don't see Ron facing that choice in facing the Horcrux. Just because it's a hard thing to do and also the right thing to do does not make it right vs. easy. I'd have to stretch the term to be completely generic to apply it to this scene. 

Alla:

I actually do see it that way, only I see it as Ron initially choosing easy, not right. I am not sure why you think that to apply it here will be stretching the term. I actually agree with you that Harry's using Crucio also qualifies as "right v easy" and Harry choosing easy (or to me more like having no strength to resist his anger and thus choosing easy).

Same to me with Ron, or sort of same, because I want to repeat the question I asked somewhere in the thread or I meant to ask.

Do we know how much horcrux influenced Ron? I mean certainly some influence was implied, but I really do not recall reading that without Horcrux Ron would not have done it. Could somebody please refresh my memory?

But say Horcrux influenced Ron A LOT and Ron tried to resist it, then to me the easy will be stopping to resist and falling down prey to Horcrux darkest influences. Same as to me Harry fall down prey to his anger over how his friends were treated by Amicos and Co.

This situation is to me actually a good example of why I think books often do not promote Stoicism values as I understand it and as I argued before.

To me basically the essense of Stoicism is BUCKLE UP and do the right thing, do the virtuous thing while it is so so incredibly hard to do. And do it no matter what your feelings tell you, if it is a wrong thing. Maybe I totally got wrong the essense of stoicism.

But to me both Harry and Ron do as their feelings dictate and NOT what their virtues say if that makes sense.

Oh yes, Ron comes back and I will be the last person to condemn Harry for Crucioing the bastard, but again Ron comes and forgiven via Christian themes, he is remorseful,etc. To me it is not Stoicism.

Anyways, sorry for going on the tangent.

JMO,

Alla