Snape's Psychology: WAS: More thoughts on the Elder Wand subplot - Owner?

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zanooda:

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DD says to him "you don't care about the deaths of her husband and child?" - and
Snape shrinks because he in fact didn't care :-). But DD's "you don't care"
comes as a response to Snape asking *LV* only for Lily's life, not as a response
to Snape asking *DD* to protect only Lily.


Alla:

Correct, and I am not disputing that. What I am saying is that **regardless* of what  DD's  "you don't care" comes as a response to, Snape response *to him* shows to me that he did not intend to ask Dumbledore about James and Harry. I do think also that it is quite possible that DD already legilimenced Snape (that is a speculation of course) and his reaction is to both, what Snape asked of Voldemort and what he intends to ask of Snape. But of course Snape did not ask him anything *yet*.


Zanooda:
Snape didn't ask DD anything at all at this point of conversation. And it is
said only after it is said :-). I don't know what Snape wanted to ask DD. I can
easily believe that he *didn't intend to ask* to protect the whole family, but I
can't say "he didn't ask", because he didn't have time to ask about anything at
all yet :-).

Alla:

Yes, I know. I also know that he said "protect her – them", and that to me shows Snape's intentions.

Alla wrote:

> It is this *then* that tells me that had Dumbledore not
> expressed his disgust and was more agreeable with Snape
> asking for Lily only that Snape would have asked for her
> life too.


zanooda:

Still, this is an assumption, not a fact, because Snape's original request was
never expressed ...

Alla:

As far as I am concerned it is a very heavily implied inference. What do you mean it is not a fact? Snape does says *then* in the sentence, I did not imagine it, right? .  To me it does not matter if he did not have a chance to say his request right away, because he *is* saying it few minutes later in conversation and he says it with qualifier *then*.


Alla:

> And second thing what he says is "keep her - them - safe".
> Again, first out of his mouth is what he truly wanted to
> ask and as afterthought, to get Dumbledore to be more agreeable
> is "them".


zanooda:

First out of his mouth is what he *truly wanted*, not what he "truly wanted to
ask"... :-). Alla, I'm not trying to convince you (or anybody else). As I said,
I just wanted to get this off my chest. It's one of those things that you really
want to say for some reason :-). <SNIP>

Alla:

Yes, I figured that you are not trying to convince me, let me repeat though – neither am I. I am trying to understand your interpretation, that's all. I think that when we write anything here, we always run a risk of somebody challenging us, whether it is our intent or not. I do not understand your interpretation at all, I do not need and do not want to agree with it, but I do want to understand. What he truly wanted to me equals what he truly wanted to ask, how could it be otherwise?

JMO,

Alla