Snape's Psychology: WAS: More thoughts on the Elder Wand subplot - Owner?

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Montavilla47:

I think that Snape still did consider himself a member of the DE
whenever he asked Voldemort to spare Lily (either early on or later).
I don't know why he wouldn't consider himself so, because, even if
had had an epiphany about how wrong the DE were (and I don't think
that he'd had one by then), there's no graceful way to remove
yourself from DE membership. That was made very clear when
Karkakoff tried to hide his way out of the DE, and when Regulus
decided the smartest thing he could do was drink poison.

Alla:

I meant mentally of course, to me the question is whether Snape mentally considered himself a DE, meaning whether he shared Voldemort's goals when he was making his request ( some or all of them) and if not, then I already said upthread how he in my view should have acted. Obviously his dark mark was not going anywhere at that time.

Montavilla47:

Well, I guess we're just going over old ground, because I don't
find it that big a deal that Snape didn't specifically ask Dumbledore
to protect James and Harry. Nor do I think it that big a deal
that he didn't care enough about them to ask.

Look, if Little Timmy goes up to Superman and says, "Oh,
Superman! Please stop that runaway train, my dog Skipper is
on board," we don't fault him because he neglected to ask
Superman to save the four thousand human passengers
who are also on board. They are implied. <SNIP>

Alla:

Well I think vast majority of our arguments is an old ground by now, if a new idea comes up  it is pretty rare, no?

So yes, I think it is a big deal not even from the practical POV of what Dumbledore would have done, but from thinking about Snape's mindset. Of course Superman is going to at least try to save them, but I would still find Little Timmy to be pretty disgusting little shmack, especially if he put his dog on the train himself, knowing that this train is going to crash AND if he helped putting all other people on the train too, but still concerned only with his dog. 

Montavilla47:
I don't think giving Harry the wand back was such a stupid move.
Voldemort wanted to show his followers that Harry wasn't a threat.
He needed to reinforce the idea that he was the greatest Dark Lord
in existence--an image that must have suffered when he got
defeated by a baby <SNIP>

Alla:

I do, whether Harry should have been a threat or not, Voldemort knows that he survived his attempt to kill him at  least once, I do not know how it is plausible in any sort of way for anybody to think that helpless prey is better than prey who has some sort of weapon in his hands. With wand Harry can do *something*, without wand really nothing.

Montavilla:
<SNIP>
As for hiding his Horcruxes in the founder's objects--that
wasn't completely illogical either. If he'd hid his soul in some
old boot, then it might have gotten thrown in an incineration
pit. In anyone found the founder's objects and didn't know
they contained Horcurxes, they'd still be likely to preserve them,
since they were relics. <SNIP>

Alla:

But it is easier to locate known relics than unknown ones, is it not? It makes no sense to me whatsoever, honestly.

Montavilla47
Who believes she's hit her limit of posts today.

Alla:

I see four, but maybe my math is wrong, so see you tomorrow :)