Rightful Owner/ Slythie followers of LV/Stan Shunpike

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No: HPFGUIDX 187608

Catlady wrote:

>Maybe Harry WAS the rightful owner of the resurrection stone (the Peverell
ring). It was passed as an inheritance to Marvolo and the only surviving
descendent of Marvolo was TMR, but it is hard to argue that TMR was a less
rightful owner than DD, because TMR got it by causing Marvolo and Morfin to die
by framing them for his murder of the Riddles. Harry, descended from Ignotus
Peverell, may have been the closest living relative, therefore rightful heir, of
Antioch Peverell, original owner of the stone. (Carol, would Agnotus been as
suitable a name as Ignotus for the Invisibility Cloak Wearer?)
>
>However, I'm more inclined to think that DD acquired it rightfully, rather than
stealing it from TMR. I feel that it was ownerless property at the time (as TMR
was not a rightful owner) and therefore legitimate salvage. Would British laws
about treasure trove apply to it?
>


I don't know about salvage laws, but I've heard that when rulers rule by divine right, an usurper may steal the throne, but their descendants are considered born kings; they inherited stolen property, but because they didn't personally steal it, the usurper's heir is considered a rightful ruler; not "the" rightful ruler, but still possessing a legitimate claim. Dumbledore was not the rightful owner, but Harry rightfully inherited it; he didn't commit the theft; his claim is legitimate.


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> I pretty much agree with you (most actual DEs other than Wormtail appear to have been in Slytherin). Fenrir Greyback, of course, wasn't in any House (and wasn't in the inner circle, FWIW), but the Snatchers also create the impression that they were in Slytherin. (I'm ignoring Harry's unaccountable reference to skulls in the Slytherin common room here.)
>

We see in OP that anti-Slytherin prejudice was already strong at the beginning of Lord Voldemort's rise; Perhaps the majority of DE's are Slytherins in reaction to that prejudice. LV gave them a chance to get back at the other 3 houses. Also, most Slytherins seem prejudiced against the other 3 houses; I imagine LV simply didn't think his Gryffindor/Hufflepuff followers to be competent enough for important tasks. He may have trusted the Slytherins more. Although, if that's the case then he's bloody stupid.

> Carol, wondering which House Stan Shunpike was in, assuming that he attended Hogwarts for at least a few years
>

Not Slytherin. I can't see anyone with decent ambition working his job; he's also way too gullible, not to mention somewhat dim, to be a Ravenclaw, and I think most Slytherins would be capable of some skepticism. My money is on Hufflepuff, because if he's around 18 or 19 and a Gryffindor, he would have spent at least one year in the same common room as the Weasley twins, and someone as gullible as him, Seventh Year or no, would have either learned some skepticism or remained a target.

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