Marietta, was Slytherin's Reputation

[montavilla47]

No: HPFGUIDX 185644

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "k12listmomma" <k12listmomma at ...> wrote:
>
> > Carol responds:
> > I think, though, that you've forgotten that Kingsley Obliviated
> > Marietta, so she has no way of telling Madam Pomfrey what happened.
> 
> Shelley:
> Are you assuming, then, that this Obliviation is permanent- that Marietta 
> would have no way of remembering EVER that she betrayed the DA? 

Montavill47:
Every other Obliviation is permanent.  Why would Marietta's be any
different?

Shelly:
> I think Cho and the others would have told her or she 
> would have figured it out from the events that happened. Certainly, if she 
> had no way of remembering that she was a snitch, then she would have asked 
> her friends, or her classmates from the DA who knew would have told her, why 
> that word was on her face. Are you assuming that no one thought to tell her 
> why she had that word on her face? I still think she would have had the 
> choice to be sorry for her actions, or merely feel like she was the victim, 
> once she had learned from the others what she had done. 

Montavilla47:
I agree that whether or not the Obliviate was permanent, it's likely
that the other D.A. members would have let Marietta know what she
had done--and how they felt about it.  Moreover, Cho later defends
Marietta's action by mentioning Marietta's mother--so Marietta 
must have explained her actions to Cho afterwards.

Shelley:
> I think the pustules were not the only 
> punishment she recieved- surely she had some dirty looks and nasty comments 
> of "thanks for the betrayal" from the other DA members once word got out of 
> whom had done it, given all the severity of rule changes that followed for 
> the whole school. I think the DA and it's betrayal was such a huge thing 
> that the whole school knew about it through the grapevine, and even students 
> who weren't in DA might not be sympathetic to her.

Montavilla47:
Yes, what happens to Marietta is similar to the punishment usually
given to women who collaborate with the enemy--she is marked as 
a traitor.   During WWII, women were sometimes shorn of their hair to
mark them.  And, of course that wasn't the only punishment.  Shaving 
their heads made them easy targets for anyone who wanted to get 
back at a collaborator, whether by insult, spitting, refusal of trade or 
services, or even violence.

At a school level, it's not unthinkable that Marietta would have 
become a target for pranks, especially with such profilic pranksters
as Fred and George Weasley about.  But I'm not going to assume that
they did.  Maybe the marking was enough to satisfy their ire.


> > Carol:
> > I don't think that the hex will reverse itself. There's no indication
> > that it has done so in the books. <snip>
> 
> Shelley:
>  <snip>
> I 
> think Pomfrey missed that this was a curse, which required a different 
> treatment than the usual hex of pimples. I don't think it would have been 
> hard to cure Marietta at all.

Montavilla47:
I don't think it really matters why Marietta's disfigurement isn't cured.  The
fact remains that the disfigurement is there months afterwards.  It may be
marginally better (since she's graduated from a balaclava to heavy makeup), 
but it's still there, and we never see her completely cured.  For all intents and
purposes, the disfigurement is permanent.

We also see Harry taking satisfaction in seeing that her markings are 
still there months later.

And, for me, that crosses a line from an amusing punishment to a 
vindictive one.  If it doesn't for someone, then it doesn't.  For some 
readers, Snape crossed the line when he singled Harry out in the first
potions class.  He didn't do that for me.  I didn't think he was being 
at all mature, good, and certainly not "pure" when he did that--but, 
for me, I could still like and admire him later on.  I understand, 
though, if other readers can't.