First lesson WAS: Re: Marietta, was Slytherin's Reputation

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> > Alla:
> > 
> > And I am saying that the assumption Snape should make that 
> children 
> > do not know the answers rather that they do for the reason that 
he 
> > did not give homework.
> 
> Leah: We don't know what Snape assumes. You are of the opinion that 
> Snape is asking the questions to humiliate Harry. Now you are 
saying 
> that he is assuming Harry should know the answers.  How can he be 
> humiliating him if he assumes Harry knows the answers?

Alla:

Um, see above. I am saying exactly the opposite. *the assumption 
Snape should make that children do not know the answers*


Leah:
>Snape does not know Hermione.  He's not interested in Hermione 
> or in whether Harry is like her or not. He wants to see what Harry 
> is like. He learns that Harry is not a bookworm, not someone who is 
> desperate for academic success etc.  He is not that particular sort 
> of child.  I fail to see why asking a child three questions is in 
> anyway vile or petty, and most certainly not abusive.  

Alla:

Exactly. Snape does not know Hermione and he is not interested in 
Hermione or whether Harry is like her or not. I understood you to 
argue however that Snape can make an assumption based on Hermione 
that children can know answers. But I do think that Hermione is 
completely irrelevant to what Snape is doing here.

I explained why I believe it is wrong to ask questions of the kids of 
the first year that they IMO have no ways of answering.

But it is the way Snape asks them that pushes his behavior to me from 
silly to abuse of his power. Mr. Potter, our new celebrity, fame is 
not everything and all that crap. Snape has NO clue what Harry is, 
you just argue that he is trying to learn things about Harry, don't 
you?

Snape talking about celebrity to me means that he **already** made a 
conclusion and as I know clearly wrong conclusion, Harry does not 
like his fame and wants nothing to do with it.




> >Leah: 

McGonagall is pretty nasty to Neville too. 
> > 
> > Alla:
> > 
> > LOLOL. Yes, she is! Extremely so. That makes what Snape does 
> better?  
> 
> Leah: No, but it indicates something about teaching styles at 
> Hogwarts, and that if two different people teach in a particular 
> style that may well say more about the school they teach in than 
> them as individuals. 

Alla:

I did not agree that Minerva teaches in the same style as Snape does, 
LOL. She **was** being nasty to Neville, what three times? To me, at 
least one of those times she did NOT single him out, when she was 
saying which incredibly foolish person lost a password, to me she was 
ready to lash out to ANY person that did that.

Which was of course wrong, definitely, but she did not have a 
preconceived notion of who the person was as Snape does and to me 
that makes a difference.

Of course I thought that making Neville wait for people to come in 
was absolutely horrible. However, again that to me does not make 
Minerva teach in the same style, Snape to me is a clear winner of 
that lol.

And Minerva learns and acknowledges her mistakes (time for your 
grandmother be proud of grandson she has), contrary to Snape.

And of course she was being nasty to member of her house, which of 
course does not make it right, but shows to me that if she perceives 
somebody is wrong, even if person in her house.



 
> Leah: But Dumbledore is only getting Snape's view of Harry, not 
what 
> is happening in the classroom.  He doesn't come to the class, he 
> doesn't give Snape any guidance,advice, warnings, anything. There 
is 
> a problem between Snape and Harry which should be resolved in both 
> their interests and Dumbledore, who knows that he wants them both 
at 
> Hogwarts,  has no interest in doing so (at this stage anyway).
>

Alla:

Sure of course, however he also gets views of other teachers and it 
felt to me that he was not agreeing with what Snape saying and still 
did not interfere. He should have resolved the problem, yes, but in 
my view by putting Snape in his place first and foremost.

JMO,

Alla