Lily WAS: First lesson

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No: HPFGUIDX 185715

Alla <snip>:

> But now I just realized something, and thank you for that, I
speculated for quite some time that Snape may have joined DE while at
school. But believe it or not, I never took this quote as additional
hint for that speculation. I think I am now. "You and your previous
DE" to me can nicely support that Snape indeed became a part of them
literally.
>
Carol responds:

"You and your precious little Death Eater friends" simply indicates
that his *friends* have either become or openly expressed a desire to
become Death Eaters. She doesn't like his associating with such people
and has had to defend him against it. But if he had actually joined
them at that point or expressed such a desire himself, she would
already have dropped him. All it took was for him to call her a
"Mudblood." If he'd shown her a Dark Mark, her reaction would have
been a lot worse than a snub. She'd have ended the relationship then
and there and possibly hexed him into the bargain. <SNIP>

Alla:

No, it does not simply indicates that for me. I  can take it as a 
hint that he is already or could be in the near future (if not now, 
next school year). Of course it requires  speculating, but that is 
what I stated I was doing. I see in the text Snape knowing Dark magic 
(yes, it is enough for me to see him inventing Sectusemptra) very 
early on, I see him killing flies when he was a kid ( I am still not 
hundred percent sure that it was him, but almost sure), which to me 
indicates that darkness was in him since he was very young.

What else do I see in the text? I see a *fact* that he joined at 
least very shortly after he graduated. I now see that he is 
associating with Death Eaters when he is in school. And of course  I 
see the example of Draco, who at least if not officially got the mark 
(although I believe he did), but we know that he did work for Dark 
lord and at least once Dumbledore compares Harry and Draco to Snape 
and James,  I think I can take it as a hint for what Snape was doing 
while in school.

I had seen speculations based on significantly LESS amount of textual 
hints. 

Magpie:
Or else she's just calling him out on knowing their plans to join LV
when they graduate.

Alla:

Well, definitely. That is why it is speculation. He may have joined 
after school, I just see enough to think that maybe he did that 
earlier.

Magpie:
It makes perfect sense as an answer to "Will I be discriminated
against?" to me. It's the reason she will be okay. Lily wouldn't have
needed to have experienced discrimination to wonder if her being a
Muggleborn would make her an outsider. I don't think she'd call it
discrimination but she'd have reason to wonder if her parents not
being Wizards would make her different in peoples' eyes. She'd
understand that for some kids this is the world they've lived in for
generations and she's just gotten a random ticket.

Alla:

Me too, great argument Magpie. I certainly had no idea how immigrants 
were treated in the USA before I came here. I was hoping that we will 
be okay, but I certainly wondered how much of the outsider it will 
make me – having thick accent, not knowing enough English, if nothing 
else. I can totally relate to Lily's mindset here as you postulate.