First lesson WAS: Re: Marietta, was Slytherin's Reputation

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Magpie:
I honestly think that the big issue in the first Snape/Harry scene is
that Snape really does hate Harry and that comes through loud and 
clear
to Harry. It's not, imo, just that Snape chooses to ask Harry a
question and put him on the spot, or even snarks at him for being a
celebrity. I actually can imagine a teacher doing that as part of the
way he just deals with kids. I wouldn't be shocked if Snape did select
a random kid to show his ignorance the first day.
<SNIP>

Alla:

I think I find myself confused as to what you meant here. I mean 
obviously we agree that Snape hates Harry and Harry is correct, but 
you are also saying that you are thinking that his methods as to 
other student, in another class, may come across as not personal, etc.

I mean, I do not like the idea of asking questions for the purpose of 
humiliating student, but if it is Snape's technique, it is Snape's 
technique. It is just I see no proof that it was used on somebody 
else, ever.

Now his talk about celebrity I find inexcusable, no matter what. But 
what I am trying to ask you is that if for you his methods per se 
could be legitimate, how do you think Harry knows that Snape hates 
him?

Just a feeling? I mean, yes, sure we can sometimes tell that person 
just hates us and be correct, it is just to me the fact that Snape 
hates Harry comes through in what he does and say.

Are you saying that Harry just feeling it subconsciously?

Alla:
> But it is totally bad if that child will not recognize that the
> teacher who feels that way has some good in him and can be a hero 
too?

Pippin:
<SNIP>
After that teacher saves your life? Yeah, that is a bit, well,
arrogant, IMO. Even Hermione thinks it is a bit much that Harry won't
acknowledge the possibility. <SNIP>

Alla:

I meant after the first lesson actually – way before Snape saves his 
life and I already gave my reasons as to why I think it is perfectly 
normal to feel the way Harry does if the reason he had been given is 
to keep hating his dad in peace, so I won't go there again.

> Alla:
>
> And who should have been trying harder to see it? Eleven years old
or thirty six year old? Because yes, Harry praises his courage, etc
and as JKR said, Harry forgives him, but Snape loathes him till the
very end.

Pippin:
An eleven year old has a right to wounds that are too deep for the
healing, but a thirty six year old does not? That is the part I don't
understand.
Alla:

That is an incorrect summary of what I said. But Sherry already 
responded and I agree.

Magpie:
I think he may have hated him as an abstraction already. But when he
showed up looking like James he reacted with hatred, however he'd
felt before that, and that kept on going. I think it's quite possible
he would have reacted differently if Harry had looked more like Lily.
I suspect he still would have sent out some kind of personal vibe,
but it might not have been so easily correctly identified by Harry.

Alla:

I agree, but I still wonder sometimes why he turned blind eye on him 
having Lily's eyes.