Disarming spell/ Character's choices

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 185497

Pippin:
Put it this way. Suppose I am absolutely sure that my friend
wouldn't want his bedroom painted pink. There is zero possibility
that he would change his mind about it. He wouldn't take me seriously
if I told him it was the only thing that would save him from a
terrible fate. I am sure the room is in such bad shape that it can't
be painted anyway.

But if I thought that it *was* the only thing that might
save him from a terrible fate, I'd still tell him. Whereas I think you
are saying that you wouldn't tell him, because it wouldn't be worth
your time to suggest something that you don't think could possibly 
work.

But for me it's not so much whether Harry believes Voldemort can feel
remorse or will feel remorse, but just whether he believes it would do
some good if he did. He might be sure, himself, that it's impossible.
But he knows that not everyone thinks it's impossible.

Alla:

I understand what you are saying, I think, but I really do not see 
what if anything we are disagreeing about. I am not arguing that 
Harry should have not said it. What I am arguing against is how I 
interpreted Kemper's argument  - that Harry said it to indulge 
himself, to make himself feel good. Maybe I misunderstood what Kemper 
was saying.

I do not think the example you gave quite works for me, because I do 
not see how painting bedroom in pink will save my friend from 
terrible fate. But if you would go further and say  for example that 
this pink color would save my friend from some sort of poison in the 
air that my friend  would about to digest, then SURE I would say it. 
Of course I would.  My point is that I will NOT be saying it to make 
myself feel good; I would be saying it to at least TRY to make my 
friend see the light, to save his life, etc. I can be hundred percent 
sure that he will not do it, but I will STILL try against all odds, 
in desperate hope that he will see it and understand.

Because when the stakes are high, I will keep trying no matter what. 
I mean, I guess it will make me feel good but not in a sense that I 
am such a noble person, but in a sense that my friend's life will be 
saved and I will be happy that he is alive and would think that he 
would want to be alive too.

What I am trying to say is that I will NOT be saying it for my sake 
(except because I would want to keep a person I love alive), but for 
my friend's sake.

And what I am saying is that while I cannot be sure that Harry said 
it for Voldemort's sake, but to me it is possible, incredibly hard to 
think that I will do it myself, but possible that Harry decided to do 
so.

What are we disagreeing about again?