Wand allegiance.

Carol justcarol67 at yahoo.com
Thu Jul 9 19:38:25 UTC 2009


No: HPFGUIDX 187282

Carol earlier:
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> > Carol, who thinks that Harry is doing the right and sensible thing by keeping the Elder Wand hidden and unused 
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Eggplant responded:
> I don't see why, use it or not Harry is still Master of the Elder Wand and now everybody knows it. And I don't know what you mean by "Hidden", everybody knew Voldemort got the wand from Dumbledore's grave so it wouldn't be much of a stretch to guess Harry would put
> it back. Not that you'd even need to know its location, if somebody defeated Harry the new Master of the Elder Wand could just use any old wand and say "Acio wand" and I imagine it would come to its master. In fact that must be how Voldemort got his wand back after being a disembodied spirit for 13 years.
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> I wouldn't have stopped using that powerful wand in a million years, but rather than discuss Harry's choice it might be more interesting to discuss JKR's choice. Was it wise of her to make Harry get rid of that wand? I don't think so, besides creating a plot hole and making a character behave in a way that a real Human Being never would it is also a cliché.
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Carol responds;

Oh, well. This is one of those points on which you and I will never agree.

First, I'm not sure that "everyone" knows what happened with the Elder Wand. I don't think any DEs remained conscious when Harry confronted Voldemort for the last time, and if they did, they were shipped off to what I hope is a more secure Azkaban soon afterwards. The anti-Voldemort faction probably didn't go around spreading the story of the Elder Wand. They would have heard Harry say that Dumbledore wanted it to lose its powers. And certainly, none of them would want to be involved in the history of that bloody wand--or blast open Dumbledore's tomb as Voldemort did. In the unlikely event that Harry consented to a Daily Prophet interview (no reporters were present at the battle), he would probably keep the details to himself. No one need know that he put it back in Dumbledore's tomb, and someone (McGonagall?)could put a protective spell on the tomb so it could not be broken into (not to mention that it took a very powerful wizard with his own very powerful wand--probably the most powerful that Ollivander ever made to judge from SS/PS) to break into the tomb in the first place.)

The only way to break the power of the wand and end the cycle is for Harry to die a natural death. If he's Disarmed or killed using that wand (and it can happen even to a great Wizard like Grindelwald or Dumbledore--I'm not including Voldemort because he wasn't the master of the wand) and a bad guy gets hold of the wand, the cycle will continue.

Now, granted, he could be killed or Disarmed in his career as an Auror, but I don't think that's likely to happen. His reputation as the wizard who vanquished Voldemort would probably scare most people off. (I do think, though, that Harry should complete the training for an Auror and not become one immediately. As Snape told him in HBP, he needs to work on nonverbal spells!)

Notice that Dumbledore was careful not to kill using the Elder Wand. I think that's important. If Harry has to result to killing in his career as an Auror, best to do it with the holly wand and not with the addictive and dangerous Elder Wand. He'd be setting himself up as a target, just like all the previous owners, and the cycle would never end.

Best that as few people as possible know that he's the master of the Elder Wand and that no one except Ron and Hermione know where it's hidden. Meanwhile, the wand would be well-protected. You can't Apparate onto Hogwarts grounds, and the new headmaster/mistress could put the anti-flying spell back on, as well as protective charms on the walls and gates. Hogwarts should have those spells in any case, IMO.

And there's absolutely no evidence that the Elder Wand's new master by default can just say "Accio, Elder Wand!" and it will come to him. If that were the case, Harry would have tried it to keep Voldemort from getting it. I'm not sure, but there might be a distance limit on a Summoning Charm, in any case. As for how Voldemort got his wand back, I thought that JKR said somewhere that Wormtail brought it to him. (Wormtail lost his own wand when he transformed into a rat after blowing up the street, but he apparently went back to Godric's Hollow and found Voldemort's.)

Carol, who sees lots of plotholes in the Elder Wand story, including inconsistencies in wand behavior and no evidence whatever that the Elder Wand isn't working for LV before Harry's self-sacrifice, but sees no problem at all with keeping that evil weapon out of circulation





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