Wand allegiance.

Carol justcarol67 at yahoo.com
Fri Jul 17 03:14:14 UTC 2009


No: HPFGUIDX 187357

Carol earlier:
> 
> > There is, however, no evidence that  Voldemort feels discomfort with the Elder Wand 

Eggplant: 
> Voldemort says very clearly that the Elder Wand is working no better and no worse than his previous wand. He's complaining that it brought him no new powers. How on Earth is that a plot hole?

Carol again:
But there's nothing to back him up, no evidence to indicate that his statement or his perception is accurate. And what has he asked of the wand that would require new powers?

Carol: 
> > It[The Elder Wand] does everything he asks of it perfectly
> 
> A small Syllogism:
> 
> Voldemort is outside the walls of Hogwarts.
> Voldemort wants to be inside the walls of Hogwarts.
> Voldemort has the Elder Wand.
> Voldemort is still outside the walls of Hogwarts.

Carol:
Technically, a syllogism has three parts, not four. :-) But I don't quite understand what you're talking about. Voldemort is inside the Shrieking Shack, which suggests that either he Apparated there or he entered it via the Whomping Willow. If the first, he first, he can get onto the Hogwarts grounds by following the tunnel. If the second, he was already on the Hogwarts grounds. His DEs are in the Forbidden Forest, after all. And then we find him on the Hogwarts grounds, announcing to the staff and students that if they turn Harry over to him, no one else needs to die. I really don't understand why you think that LV can't get onto the Hogwarts grounds, with or without the Elder wand. 

Eggplant: 
> Therefore the Elder Wand is not working perfectly for Voldemort.

Carol:
Er, wrong? As I said, he has no trouble getting onto the Hogwarts grounds. Nothing, repeat, nothing, that he attempts with the Elder Wand fails to work for him--until Harry's self-sacrifice. He even hits Harry with an AK that would have killed him along with the soul bit were it not for the shared drop of blood. (That would have happened regardless of the wand he used.)

Carol earlier: 
> > Just how LV could expect results more spectacular than Nagini's bubble, I don't know. 

Eggplant: 
> I've been reading your posts for a number of years so I'm not going to insult you by agreeing with the above. I believe you can imagine more amazing things than Nagini's bubble. I believe Voldemort could too. 
> 

Carol:
Sigh. If I didn't know better, I'd think you were willfully misunderstanding me. As it is, though, I expect it's my fault for being unclear. Of course, I don't think that Nagini's bubble is the most spectacular piece of magic possible! I meant that I don't see how his attempt to create a protective bubble for Nagini could have been any more beautiful and effective than it was. (Alas for Snape, *he* could be pulled inside it but *she* could not escape--and yet she could move freely and be content, while Voldemort could see her and keep her with him without carrying her on his shoulders. For what he intended, it was perfect--and probably unique to the history of magic.

But Voldemort did not think of the kinds of amazing things you seem to be imagining, nor did he attempt them. And everything that he did attempt worked (again, until Harry's Love Magic proved more powerful than the Elder Wand in the hand of "the most powerful Dark Wizard in a century").

Eggplant:
> Draco could have bought it anytime in the last 5 years, and the Vanishing Cabinet was only a few feet from where he got it. Besides, although it was purchased in a shop with a rather unsavory reputation and aesthetically it needs improvement (the design team at Apple could really give it a makeover), judging strictly on what the thing actually does it's not clear to me that the Hand of Glory is any darker than Decoy Detonators, Peruvian Darkness Powder, or Muggle Infrared Goggles. 

Carol responds:

Once again, I'm not saying that Draco would not have had the wand, though I disagree that a Dark object intended for use by thieves and plunderers wouldn't have been detected. I'm saying that Ron would not have seen it or known about it.

Carol, hoping that we can drop the thread here because we're just repeating the same arguments and will never convince each other






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