Snape's Psychology: WAS: More thoughts on the Elder Wand subplot - Owner?

[julie]

No: HPFGUIDX 187450


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> Alla:
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> Close but not quite. Yes I believe that Snape changed in a sense that he is not going to be tempted by his Death Eater days and he probably atoned for them to general population if that makes sense. However, however, I do not agree that he came even close to atone for relaying Prophecy to Voldemort **to Harry**,again not sure if that makes sense, will be happy to clarify later.  Because since yes I believe he abused Harry in Hogwarts in and out of class, that to me not what person who wants to atone for contributing to taking away from the child the care and kindness of his parents does.
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> I do not ask for Snape to love or even like Harry, however neither do I think that Snape has any right to say that he atoned for helping to take Harry's parents away from him.
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> For all these reasons yes I was happy that he is dead and feel no sympathy for him.

Julie:
I guess we differ on a fundamental point, which is that I do
think Snape atoned for his part in relaying the Prophecy, first
by trying to undo his wrong (which he did by going to DD; it
was Pettigrew and of course Voldemort who "undid Snape's undo"
if you will ;-). And secondly, by spending the rest of his life 
in service to Dumbledore and to protecting Harry. That to me
does atone for his part in helping take Harry's parents away
from him.

Alla:
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> Oh and of course because I do not want (in my imagination or if JKR ever decides to go back to Potterverse) to see Harry's kids to hear Snape badmouthing Harry as he badmouthed Harry's dad to him.
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Julie:
I'm not convinced this would have happened, had Snape lived.
Snape spent his adult life in service first to Voldemort, and
then to Dumbledore. Even more so, he spent his adult life in
atonement to Lily. If he'd lived, all his debts would have 
been paid, and to the fullest, given that Harry didn't die as 
Snape was told and fully expected would happen. Snape at this
point could wash his hands of it all, knowing he'd kept his
promise to Lily and that Harry was free to live his own life
too (no doubt, preferably out of Snape's sight!).

I doubt Snape would have stayed at Hogwarts. He wasn't that
fond of children (to say the least), nor of teaching unless
it was to those few students who had a true grasp of the
subject and a focused desire to learn. If there were a
wizarding equivalent of Unversity doctorate programs, that
is where Snape might fit as a teacher, but not teaching 
easily distracted children. Otherwise I could see Snape
going off to do his own thing, be it potions research, 
DADA or whatever.

In any case, I think it is entirely possible, even likely,
that with so many burdens removed, Snape would be a new man.
Not that he'd ever turn into a social butterfly or anything,
but that he might actually be able to leave behind some of
the bitterness and misery of his youth. And, yes, there might
well be a rapproachment between him and Harry, even an
apology. But we'll never know. 

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> >> Julie: 
> > It didn't bother me that Petunia got knocked on the head either.
> > But what I really what to address is the fact that while you
> > dislike Petunia for her treatment towards Harry, you don't wish
> > to see her dead, but you did wish to see Snape dead for his 
> > treatment of Harry. That is a position that I don't hold at
> > all and it honestly confuses me.
> > 
> <SNIP>
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> Alla:
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> We clearly disagree about Snape, but I want to address Petunia briefly. 
> Trust me, I find her treatment of Harry's despicable. If she were to put in prizon for that, sure. But dead? No, just too extreme for me, that's all.
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> By the way, I said I was **glad** to see Snape dead, not that I wanted him to die, you know, I would much preferred him to be thoroughly humiliated by Harry as a payback for what he did(but alas this is not what JKR had in mind lol).
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> It is **when** he died, I was happy, sort of after the fact, if that makes sense. Sorry, as I said, will be happy to clarify.

Julie: 
Okay, I understand. It is more of an after the fact thing. I
personally wouldn't want Snape to be thoroughly humiliated 
by Harry if he'd lived, only because I don't like the idea of
Harry stooping to Snape's level. If something caused Snape
to be chastened and recognize how wrong he'd been about Harry,
that would have worked perfectly for me. Just not Harry 
deliberately humiliating Snape after everything he found out
about Snape's past motivations and actions, because that is
not Harry's character, IMO.

Julie