Snape and Marauders WAS :Draco and Intent

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Montavilla47:
A lot of people contributed to James and Lily being killed and Harry
being left alone. Those people include Sybil, Snape, Dumbledore,
Peter, and Sirius. Oh, and Voldemort.

If Lily and James were likely to hold grudges after death, they'd
need to hold them against all those people. Snape might be high
on that list, but he's hardly the number one person responsible.


Alla:

Where did I say that Lily and James were likely to hold grudges after death at all???

In fact in the very post you are replying to I said this :

"No, I do not think they should hold grudge for all
eternity, although I would be delighted to see them punch Snape, but that's my
own satisfaction."

So to be clear, again, I do not think they will be holding grudges, it is just to me there is a question of degree between forgiving and being grateful.

I said *I* would like to see them punch Snape in the nose, but it is just a reader's wish – it does not translate into me thinking that this is what canon should provide or will provide OR that if canon does not provide that, the story will be worse or something.

Among things I would have loved to see in canon was for example Snape and Sirius having hot sex or at least hot kiss. Did I think that canon will provide it or that story will suffer for the lack of it? No, of course not, it is fanfiction matter and same thing I have read several very good stories about Lily or James or both coming back and dealing with Snape. That satisfied me enough.

Just to stress it one more time,  – NO, I do not think that Lily and James' souls or spirits or whatever will be holding grudges against Snape. I think they will grant him forgiveness. It is the **gratefulness** I am disagreeing with.

As to various people responsible for Lily and James' death and Harry being left alone, the way I see it, each of those people are responsible for their **own** choices. To me the thing is – it is a possibility that without Snape making his choice first none of those people MAY have had a reason to exercise his.

Oh and could you please clarify how exactly Dumbledore is responsible for Lily and James being killed? I hold him responsible a plenty for how he decided Harry's fate, but no, I do not hold him responsible for their deaths at all.

I mean, I guess he took the cloak, which may have given them some chance, but to me I cannot even assign one percent of responsibility for that.

Sirius is responsible for suggesting that plan, sure, but sorry, I cannot put him high on the list for wanting his friends safer. Although, before you say anything, say he is very responsible for that – again, without Snape's reporting Prophecy, they may not have NEED to go into hiding, accordingly such suggestion may have not been needed at all.

And then we have Voldemort and Wormtail. And I will still say that even though one of them is a murderous maniac and another one is stinking traitor, I will still say that without Snape starting all that, there is  a chance that they would not have made their choices. Now of course with Voldemort it is highly likely that he would have gone after Potters anyway, but I remain convinced that such encounter would not have HAD TO end in their deaths. After all three of the previous ones did not.

All that I am saying that Snape's actions decreased the possible scenarios very very significantly and increased the death one a lot.

I think that Wormtail is actually the one who would have acted anyway, if Sirius' claim that he was passing the information for the year was true, so I guess I hold Snape less responsible for Wormtail than for Voldemort, if that makes sense.


Montavilla47:
But again, Snape isn't the person most responsible for Harry
being placed with the Dursleys. That one was Dumbledore.

And he isn't exactly responsible for the Dursleys being so
hateful. That's on them.


Alla:

Well, yes of course. See above. All that I am saying that without Snape's actions Harry may have never gone to Dursleys, that's all. I am not saying that Snape is responsible for Dursleys being hateful.

Although if I wanted I could I suppose argue that Snape's actions towards Petunia may have increased her hatred towards wizards, although I do realize that this is way too remote.



Pippin:
<SNIP>
Surely you are not claiming it's Snape's fault that Petunia hated her sister?
Maybe if Lily had known how important Petunia was going to be, she'd have gone
easy on the frogspawn and the transforming teacups. Come to think of it, Lily
might ask herself if she couldn't have given Snape himself a second chance.

Alla:

See my reply to Montavilla47 above.


Pippin:
I would think that in the Potterverse afterlife you are supposed to become truly
aware of your own shortcomings, not other people's.

Alla:

That would make sense, wouldn't it? Unfortunately I have not noticed Dumbledore being truly aware of quite a lot of his own shortcomings, so I am not sure what are you basing it on.

I know spirits who came to help Harry in the walk in the forest came to help for specific task and I would not ask of them to do anything else, but still I have not noticed much of beating in the chest from them.

Pippin:
Yes, maybe Voldemort would retire to Sussex and take up beekeeping ;) But if
James and Lily did not think the defeat of Voldemort was worth the risk of their
child growing up without them, they were fools to have joined the Order in the
first place. I do not think they would be such cowards that they don't care how
many other people suffer to stop Voldemort as long as their family escaped. But
maybe you do not see that as cowardice?

Alla:

Yes, Lily and James signed up for the risk and the possibility of being killed by Voldemort. I do not  believe that they signed up for being grateful to Snape for helping this certain death of them to happen.

JMO,

Alla