James and Intent And Snape

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No: HPFGUIDX 187046

> Ceridwen:
> Another person, or an entity.  By hexing a lot of other students, one student can intimidate an entire group along the lines of making an example, firing a warning shot, and so on.  <SNIP>

Alla:

I do not think we have canon for any people whom James hexed to be intimidated by him, for all I know he got back twice as much hexing as he dished out. No, to me it is not bullying at all, IMO of course.


Ceridwen:
> We don't know that James did this with the boy whose head grew or the other hexes for which he got detention.  We can debate over the reason James got detention so many times - how many times was he not caught, or was he caught every time and given detention? or why he hexed people - were they all suspected Dark Arts aficionados, and if so was he trying to intimidate that group by the individuals he chose to hex? or was it just Slytherins? and so on.

Alla:

Well, it is of course school offense, so sure James was breaking the rules, but was it bullying? To me on the information we have it was not.

Ceriwen: 
> And before someone asks, yes, we can do this with Snape too, only without as much canon.  Notice his name didn't come up in the detention cards for whatever reason.  And besides...

Alla:

Okay, fair enough you think that by hexing each other in the hallway James and Snape were mutual bullies to each other?

And can I suggest one reason why Snape's name did not come up in the detention slips chosen **by Snape** to give Harry? I do not think they were random at all, I think he went through them before give it to Harry, IMO of course.



> Ceridwen:
> James's behavior is less admirable to me in SWM.  He's supposed to be the Good Guy.  I expect more out of the Good Guys than I do from the Bad Guys.  I want to see the change after this but I wasn't shown.  I was given third-hand rumors of his change but no evidence.  Without evidence I'm left with the doubt that the praise is only because he was a friend, or only because he's dead and people don't want to speak ill of the dead. <SNIP>

Alla:

Eh well, as an aside I did not notice Dumbledore hesitating to speak ill about Sirius so I dounbt that James being dead would have stopped anybody had they truly wanted, but that's just an aside. I am not talking about SWM here (not that I am saying you should not be lol), but I am specifically asking about hexing in the hallways. To be sure, is that a correct summary of what you said? You are saying it is totally okay for one teenager to hex people in the hallways, because well, he is going to join Death Eaters, but another teenager is supposed to just take it and not respond because he is a good guy and will join order of Phoenix? Could you please clarify?

I think they are both guilty of breaking school rules by doing it and should not be doing it, but neither do I call them bullies based on that.

JMO,

Alla