Courtly love in Potterverse WAS: What triggered ancient magic?
dumbledore11214
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Fri Jun 19 15:56:02 UTC 2009
No: HPFGUIDX 187130
Pippin:
"If you're only going to let your sons and daughters marry purebloods your
choice is very limited, there are hardly any of us left." --Sirius, OOP ch 6.
If choice is limited to the handful of people that the parents have already
approved, that's arrangement, de facto if not de jure. There just isn't a lot
of room for considerations of compatibility or chemistry or love-matches.
Alla:
Except to me canon seems to show enough room for that as previously discussed Lucius and Narcissa seem to love each just fine IMO and as Magpie said, Draco and Pancy seem to be pretty normal dating couple in that sense.
I am not disputing that it is a limited choice, as I stated before I just understand arranged marriage as something different. For example, one of my classmates in law school was from India and her brother got married to the girl whom his parents went to India and picked for him THAT is an arranged marriage how I understand it. I am not even saying that things like that do not happen between purebloods, it is entirely possible that they do. I just do not see them in the book, thus I will not agree that the default choice of marriage between purebloods is the arranged one. IMO of course.
This is a fun thing to discuss, but again what does this has to do with whether Snape's love to Lily was based in part on the courtly love or not?
Pippin:
Oh yes. But your thought seems to be that Snape should have assumed that Lily
would wish to die than live on with her lovely family destroyed. And I'm saying,
why would Snape think her family was lovely? <BIG SNIP>
Alla:
And I am saying that to me your second sentence is not the only continuation of the first one. The first one states my position almost correctly. Except not for the reason you are stating in the second one. Yes, I think that Snape should have assumed that Lily would rather die than live with her husband and baby being dead. Only I do not think it should matter one bit what **Snape** thinks of her family, whether it is lovely, ugly, or what say you. I am saying that Snape should have respected **Lily** enough that absent any information to the contrary that she is happy where she is. She did not leave her husband, didn't she? She just had a baby with him.
But let's even assume for the sake of this argument (which I am not, I am not conceding too at all) that Lily is unhappy with her husband and Snape even knows it. Are you saying that Snape's default line of thinking should be that Lily **wants** her husband and her baby dead?
Are you saying that he thinks that little of Lily? It is to me a huge jump to make from the marriage where she may have quarrels with her husband and to want her husband dead. And to assume that she wants her baby dead
Are you sure that you do not want to go along with Snape who looks like selfish prick to me and just wants Lily alive for himself? Because the one who would think that Lily is such a person who would want her husband and baby dead to me looks even more despicable. IMO of course.
Alla
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