Courtly love in Potterverse WAS: What triggered ancient magic?

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No: HPFGUIDX 187137

> > Alla:
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> > Maybe he expected to fool Dumbledore and run away after he delivered his warning, after all he did leave after he eavesdropped the Prophecy, maybe he thought that he will get Lily later after he is out of prison, 
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> Pippin:
> All I can say is, if Snape is so obsessed, and  thinks he is as clever as that, why would he need Voldemort to get rid of James and Harry for him? Why get rid of them at all? Why not steal Lily or lure her away as soon as Voldemort said he could have her? 
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> But there is not the slightest canon that Snape even thought of doing such things. <SNIP>

Alla:
Oh dear.  I have no clue why he would not do that. Maybe he was so cruel and wanted to make sure that Lily sees with her own eyes that her family is dead dead dead and that she could never get back to them, while if Snape kidnapped her maybe she still had some hopes. But as you said there is not a slightest canon for that.

There was however the part of my previous post where I said that this is to me the strongest argument for Snape not really wanting Lily for himself. Your inference that Snape thought he will die or go to prison after he visits Dumbledore.

There was also part where I said that I like it.

These speculations (of course we have no canon for them) were intended to show that we do not know what Snape really thought when he went to Dumbledore, because there is really not the slightest canon to show that Snape thought that he was going to go to prison or die when he was going to him, isn't it?

It is quite logical and strong inference to me, because he is a DE and he may think that hey, what else he is going to get by pretty much surrendering to opposing side, but this is not one hundred percent full proof inference to me, that's all.

And I gave you canon-based reason of why Snape will be perfectly justified in thinking that he CAN and will get away from Dumbledore. After all he **already** did once.

I am not really attempting to rebut your argument Pippin, I am attempting to explain why I cannot issue complete agreement. Again, I like it, it makes sense to me, but other possibilities also make sense.

Any other inference about Snape not wanting Lily for himself does not hold up for me, but this one does, I am just not 100% sure, that's all.

Pippin:
<SNIP>
Snape wouldn't be shocked or revolted that Voldemort intended to kill a baby. <SNIP>

Alla:

Yes and it disgusts me.

Pippin:
What do you think would have happened to Neville, when dear Uncle Algie dropped
him out the window, if he hadn't bounced? Augusta doesn't seem to have thought
any less of old Algie for it. That's the Longbottoms, mind you, a family that
wouldn't have anything to do with the Dark Arts.

Alla:

What you think he intended to kill him??? I disagree. We had seen several times that wizard kids often shown more resistant to physical injuries. I did not like Uncle Algie doing it at all, however I did not think for one second he intended to kill the boy, I thought that maybe he would do same thing as Dumbledore did when Harry was falling after Quidditch. I am sure he would not let him die.

Pippin:
I'm afraid the purebloods are just not very sentimental about babies -- after
all, if they didn't think they could disown their grandchildren, there wouldn't
*be* any pureblood families.

Alla:

There is a  big difference to me between disowning and killing. And somehow I speculate that even Snape's mother loved him and certainly did not want him to dead, I doubt that this he could learn even in his childhood. No, I think he too eagerly learned the philosophy of his master – innocent lives including babies are worth nothing, etc.

JMO,

Alla