Secrets (Long) OLD POST REPOST

dumbledore11214 dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com
Wed May 6 02:56:25 UTC 2009


No: HPFGUIDX 186452

> Montavilla47:
> But "saying bad things" about a person doesn't necessarily
> equate to holding a grudge.  McGonagall says that James
> and Sirius were troublemakers, but she didn't dislike them.
> 
> Of course, Snape doesn't like James at all.  I daresay he
> still does hate him.  But that's not the same as holding a 
> grudge, or worse, nursing it.  And it's certainly a far
> cry from allowing it to blight and waste you life.
> 
> And that's really the part I take issue with.  <SNIP> 

Alla:

Responding only to some points, since we are way too different on others.
It is a matter of degree of course, and as long as we agree that Snape hates James still, I really do not care how it is called. We will probably agree to disagree on the degree Snape hates James though lol.

And the same part with wasting his life, it is again a matter of degree - I am certainly not saying that Snape wasted his life to the point that he did not do anything else, however again we are agreeing to disagree, because I certainly think that his grudge handicapped him to a degree, metaphorically or course.
> Montavilla47:
> Well, the best misdirection is going to be truthful, rather
> than an out and out lie.  But it's a matter of degree.  I just
> don't think it's that big a thing.  Snape's dealing with a lot
> of stuff--and if he had to rank the things upsetting him
> at that moment, James's use of Levicorpus twenty years
> earlier would probably rank far behind:
> 
> 1. Having to kill Dumbledore
> 2. Having to become a fugitive
> 3. Having to get that idiot Malfoy to a safe place
> 4. Having to keep the DEs from killing anyone
> 5. Having to keep the DEs from killing that idiot Potter
> 6. Wondering if Hagrid knows how to put out a fire
> 7. Trying to avoid the hippogriff poo littering the grass
> 8. Oh, yeah.  That idiot Potter is flinging spells at him.

Alla:

See I cannot agree with this at all. It is just not what he is saying to me in that quote. I do not see how you get this gradation, I mean I will grant that killing Dumbledore is high on his list, but the fact that you (generic you) would put these as your priorities, does not mean to me that Snape will be upset in this order. So I will put the idiot Potter firing spells at him and that bringing a flashback of his filfy father somewhere on 2 or 3. I could be wrong of course but Snape gave me no reason to think otherwise.



> 
> > Alla:
> > 
> > To me Prince's tale gave new information about Snape, it did not change his character completely at all.
> 
> Montavilla47:
> There's a lot of room between "completely" and "at all." 

Alla:

Yeah, that was an awkward construction, sorry about that. I will change it to - it did not change his character **much** to me.

Montavilla47:
>Obviously,
> Snape isn't going to change completely.  In fact, he's not to change 
> at all.  It's our view that is intended to change.  Hopefully, it will
> change in a direction that will make it seem plausible that Harry
> names one of his sons after the man.  
> 
> Of course, I realize you think it's nuts that Harry does that, so 
> I would say that it didn't have its intended purpose for you.  

Alla:

Small correction, I do not think that it is nuts that Harry does it - **the way Harry is portrayed**, as someone who is saving WW and thus symbolically can grant forgiveness to last scum of the earth. No I do not consider Snape to be last scum of the earth, just a loser and an abuser, but you get what I mean.

Had Ron for example been in Harry's place and named his kid after Snape or Neville, yeah, I want to think that I would have been able to get over such plot development, but I really am not sure.

And of course I know I would not have ever done that. Had I been in Harry's place, I would absolutely restored Snape's name, would have made sure that he is known as a hero. But I would not have done it in the name of true forgiveness, I would have done it for myself, because I would have wanted to move on and never ever think about him again. But again, this is not true forgiveness and to me Harry naming his child after Snape is a very symbol of that. As I always thought though Harry's forgiveness ability is much higher than mine.

Montavilla47:
> And in my case, it couldn't raise my opinion of Snape, since that
> was fairly high to begin with.  Instead, it lowered it a bit, because
> I was disappointed about Snape being so indifferent about 
> Voldemort killing a child.

Alla:

Sometimes it pays to think the worst of the character, you see? One can go nowhere but up lol. I was not dissapointed at all, this was one of the few points which I was pretty sure about and was amused when people argued that Snape came to Dumbledore because he was so upset when Voldemort decided to hunt a baby.


> Montavilla47:
<SNIP>
> Aberforth, according to someone, refused to speak
> to Albus for a long time after Ariana's death--although
> they eventually reconciled.  He also spoke badly
> about Albus when he told the story to Harry.  Was
> he holding a grudge?  If so, I think Aberforth would 
> be the record-holding grudge-keeper among the 
> living.

Alla:

But I mean, there was a death involved and if it was a grudge feels to me as more justifiable one. But yeah, you are right.






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