Secrets (Long) OLD POST REPOST

[jkoney65]

No: HPFGUIDX 186465

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "montavilla47" <montavilla47 at ...> wrote:
>
> > Montavilla47:
> But "saying bad things" about a person doesn't necessarily
> equate to holding a grudge.  McGonagall says that James
> and Sirius were troublemakers, but she didn't dislike them.
> 
> Of course, Snape doesn't like James at all.  I daresay he
> still does hate him.  But that's not the same as holding a 
> grudge, or worse, nursing it.  And it's certainly a far
> cry from allowing it to blight and waste you life.
> 
> And that's really the part I take issue with.  Look, I 
> can still get annoyed when I think about the way my
> mother gave away that favorite toy of mine when 
> I was six years old.  (And I do.... on occasion.)
> 
> If I were really mad at her, I might even bring it up.
> But that doesn't mean I'm twisted up with hatred
> and holding a grudge, I hope.  It simply means that
> when we get angry we tend to bring up things that
> happened in the past--whether or not they 
> pertain. 
> 

jkoney:
The definition I found for grudge is "a deep seated feeling of resentment or rancor."

After a decade of James being dead any thoughts of James should have been put to rest. But they aren't they are transferred to Harry. While we talked about the celebrity comment there was still no need for it other than to take a cheap shot at a Potter. 

This and his other thoughts/actions show that the grudge is still there able to be brought to the forefront of his mind when the need arises.

> 
> > Alla:
> > >
> > > You are right, Snape has a lot of reasons to be angry in this scene, however
> > the reasons he **says** that he is angry about are :
> > > a) Harry is using his spells against him;
> > > b) His filfy father was using his spells against him.
> > 
> 
> Montavilla47:
> Well, the best misdirection is going to be truthful, rather
> than an out and out lie.  But it's a matter of degree.  I just
> don't think it's that big a thing.  Snape's dealing with a lot
> of stuff--and if he had to rank the things upsetting him
> at that moment, James's use of Levicorpus twenty years
> earlier would probably rank far behind:
> 
> 1. Having to kill Dumbledore
> 2. Having to become a fugitive
> 3. Having to get that idiot Malfoy to a safe place
> 4. Having to keep the DEs from killing anyone
> 5. Having to keep the DEs from killing that idiot Potter
> 6. Wondering if Hagrid knows how to put out a fire
> 7. Trying to avoid the hippogriff poo littering the grass
> 8. Oh, yeah.  That idiot Potter is flinging spells at him.
> 

jkoney:
No one is arguing that it is a huge thing just that it still exists. He did have other things on his mind at the end of HBP, but the comment he makes is about James. If the resentment wasn't there, then the comment wouldn't have been made.


> > Montavilla47:
> > <SNIP>
> > I think it's a bit too hard to argue Snape as a noble character--
> > in the sense of being forgiving or magnanimous. I don't see him
> > as being forgiving at all--least of all to himself. But if you don't
> > re-examine his character in light of the Prince's Tale, then you're
> > holding onto a false interpretation of his character. The whole
> > point of the Prince's Tale is to change our view of Snape.
> > 
>snip> 
> Montavilla47:
> There's a lot of room between "completely" and "at all."  Obviously,
> Snape isn't going to change completely.  In fact, he's not to change 
> at all.  It's our view that is intended to change.  Hopefully, it will
> change in a direction that will make it seem plausible that Harry
> names one of his sons after the man.  
> 
>snip> 

jkoney:
The Prince's Tale doesn't change my opinion that much. We find out that Snape wasn't always evil. He started off as a normal boy, he chose the DE's and committed who knows what atrocities, and then repented because Voldemort was going to and did kill his childhood friend. We also find out that he has been working with and was loyal to Dumbledore.

That still wasn't enough for me to forget that he was an arrogant ass most of the time.


 
> Montavilla47:
> I don't know.  Sirius managed a good grudge against
> Peter that lasted at least twelves years and nearly 
> caused him to murder the rat.  
> 
>
jkoney:
Well someone turning over my best friends to be killed seems like a good reason to me to hold a grudge.