Secrets (Long) OLD POST REPOST

jkoney65 jkoney65 at yahoo.com
Thu May 7 23:21:06 UTC 2009


No: HPFGUIDX 186488

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "montavilla47"  
> > > 
> > 
> > jkoney:
> > The definition I found for grudge is "a deep seated feeling of resentment or rancor."
> > 
> > After a decade of James being dead any thoughts of James should have been put to rest. But they aren't they are transferred to Harry. While we talked about the celebrity comment there was still no need for it other than to take a cheap shot at a Potter. 
> > 
> > This and his other thoughts/actions show that the grudge is still there able to be brought to the forefront of his mind when the need arises.
> 
> Montavilla47:
> 
> Well, yeah.  But that's normal human behavior.  If, for 
> example, you had a sweetheart in high school, who married
> the quarterback of the football team and then one day, he 
> had too much to drink and drove their car into a tree, you 
> might have some resentments towards him, too.

jkoney:
After a decade, I would call that resentment "deep seated" and therefore I would consider it a grudge.

> > jkoney:
> > No one is arguing that it is a huge thing just that it still exists. He did have other things on his mind at the end of HBP, but the comment he makes is about James. If the resentment wasn't there, then the comment wouldn't have been made.
> 
> Montavilla47:
> If you agree that Snape's grudge against James isn't a huge
> thing, then we are in agreement.  
> 
> > > Montavilla47:
> > > I don't know.  Sirius managed a good grudge against
> > > Peter that lasted at least twelves years and nearly 
> > > caused him to murder the rat.  
> > > 
> > >
> > jkoney:
> > Well someone turning over my best friends to be killed seems like a good reason to me to hold a grudge.
> 
> Montavilla47:
> 
> Sirius believes that Peter turned over his best friends
> to Voldemort.  Which, you seem to be saying, makes a 
> grudge against Peter reasonable.
> 
> In the Shrieking Shack, Snape believes that Sirius
> turned his best friend over to Voldemort.  So, then,
> shouldn't Snape's grudge be just as reasonable?

jkoney:
The difference is that Sirius "knew" for sure that Peter turned his friends over to Voldemort. Snape could only believe second hand reports (like everyone else). Although, Snape had enough connections with the DE's to find out that it was Peter.






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