Snape investigating Potters' Betrayal WAS: Re: Secrets (Long) OLD POST REPOST

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jkoney:
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I'm saying he could have investigated further. I think it's safe to say he was
feeling depressed after the Potter's were killed. I would think that he would
keep going over the facts as he knows them. <SNIP>

If I was that devoted to Lilly, I would want to make sure. <SNIP>I realize that this didn't happen in canon. But someone upthread asked something
like why I thought Snape would be mad at himself when he found out that Sirius
was innocent. I would guess that the Snape in canon, after he found out, did
think about the facts that he thought he knew and realized that they didn't all
fit together.

(I hope this also clears up Alla's questions for me).


Alla:

Ah. You are saying that he should have investigated for the sake of making sure that **true** murderer would have been behind the bars, no matter who that is, right?

And that he should have investigated for the reasons that have more to do with the memory of Lily and not much to do with Sirius?

Sure, I can see that. I guess the only thing I can say is that I can see how hatred could have blinded him of all reason and that he convinced himself that Sirius was guilty without questions.

Carol:
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It's
Sirius's supposed betrayal of Lily, not the "Prank" or SWM, that makes Snape so
determined to turn in the man he thinks has been trying all year to murder
Harry.
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Alla:

I disagree with interpretation being written as if it is a fact. I am sure Sirius' alleged betrayal of Lily played a role, but I do not remember any canon stating that Prank played no role in Snape's hatred and desire to see Sirius' to become dementors' food and plenty of canon stating an opposite. 

Zara:
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I find it reasonable that no one investigated further. All the most likely
principals (ALbus, Severus, Remus) had good reasons not to doubt Sirius's
apparent guilt.

Alla:

This is presupposes that everybody listed will place just as much attention on the Prank. And while as I stated upthread I totally agree that Snape had no reasons to investigate further (until he took it upon himself to become Sirius' judge, jury and executioner), I disagree about Albus completely and somewhat disagree about Remus.

Albus took Sirius in the Order **way** after Prank occurred. To me that mean that what occurred was not so serious to him that it meant that Sirius would be easy to crack under pressure and betray his best friends at war. And after taking Sirius in the Order, I think he had a responsibility to him. No, not to be his family member or anything, but judging on him making so many steps condemning Sirius further AND interfering with Potters' desire to see him as Harry's guardian, I think he could have had one little conversation with Sirius. He could have gone in place of Hagrid. 

Especially since all it took to exonerate Sirius in Albus' eyes is one little conversation.

As to Remus, well, sure he had more than enough reason to tell Sirius to go jump in the lake and forget that they ever knew each other if you ask me, way more reasons than Snape did, again in my opinion.

HOWEVER, however, I have not noticed deep seated resentment towards Sirius' in Remus who supposedly forgave him fast. Now before you say it, I totally understand that Remus really wanted to have friends while he was still in school, but to me if he had that seated resentment, I would think that he would have cut off ties with Sirius after school and I do not think he did so.

Moreover, while I agree that Remus not telling Dumbledore about tunnels could be interpreted as cowardice that he betrayed Dumbledore's trust and Remus even says so, I also think that he had doubts as to Sirius' guilt and that could be hinted as such that he at least did not want Sirius' dead or back to Azkaban.

When he talks to Harry about Dementors and Harry talks about Sirius deserving it, I think Remus replies to the effect do you think that anybody deserves it.

And of course seeing Peter on the map makes Remus run to Sirius' aid and embracing him like a brother. If Remus thought Sirius' capable of doing what he did, I would think it took a little longer for him to be convinced and certainly not embracing him as a brother.

JMO,

Alla