graduation and respect for British culture
gav_fiji
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Wed Nov 4 05:02:54 UTC 2009
No: HPFGUIDX 188349
> Catlady:
> ... Hogwarts is a unique institution. It was founded at
> a time when there were no universities in Britain or
> Western Europe,
Goddlefrood:
Well, the French and Italians might dispute that. Perhaps
some on the Iberian peninsula too. It's only a minor quibble
the main answer will follow soon enough.
> Catlady
> Hogwarts must have awarded its own qualifications (degrees,
> diplomas) for the centuries before OWLs and NEWTs were
> invented, so it may have had graduation and degree-granting
> ceremonies before universities did.
Goddlefrood:
Possibly, although based on what is in the books it is very
difficult to say with any certainty. There have been many
interesting theories over the years about what Hogwarts was
and how it developed. It may have simply been a place for
keeping the young wizard about town off the street and away
from Muggles for a good part of its existence. There aren't
all that many wizards altogether now, and there would have
been fewer and fewer the longer back one goes.
To illustrate - it has been worked out that the population
of England at the time Lawrence Sterne wrote The Life and
Opinions of Tristram Shandy was about 8 million. Today the
population of England has reached about 55 million. That's
a nine fold increase, or thereabouts. Extrapolating backward
to the mid-eighteenth century would lead to a reasonable
conclusion that the student body of Hogwarts at that time
might have been around a hundred.
Going back earlier would suggest that Hogwarts might have
started out with only a handful of students. The fewer the
number of students as one progresses back through the
centuries, the less likelihood that any formal qualification
at all was given to witches and wizards, who would have been
in short enough supply that anything they might turn their
hand to would have few practitioners in it.
A graduation ceremony for a handful of students would be unlikely,
possible, but unlikely. The wizarding world of the UK is similar
enough to the Muggle world of the UK to suggest that any traditions
of one would be adopted by, or at least influence, the other. Due
to that, coupled with a zero mention of any graduation in the books,
I would find it extraordinarily unlikely that Hogwarts has any kind
of graduation ceremony. Although Napoleon and Sherlock may differ.
> Brian:
> There is no reason whatsoever to suggest that Hogwarts has a
> graduation.
Goddlefrood:
There's certainly nothing to go on. However, to suggest cultural imperialism for our cousins across the pond (for me a slightly
bigger one than the Atlantic) or up the peninsula, is a little
hard to fathom for this former denizen of the benighted isles.
Toodle pip
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