DD's plan -- Minister of Magic

[nikkalmati]

No: HPFGUIDX 189163



--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <mcrudele78 at ...> wrote:
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> > Nikkalmati
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> > DD says he does not believe in prophecies and I do not think he
> > does (although the Wizarding World as a whole does believe).
> >  <snip>
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> Mike:
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> I agree with you in principle, although I think DD approaches prophesies from a different angle. I think he sees them as self-fulfilling or bust. That's why there are so many unfulfilled 
> prophesies in the MoM, IMHO. People that don't know about these prophesies, can't self-fulfill them.
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> DD says Harry can walk away from his, iow, he doesn't have to self-fulfill his side, but that LV is bound and determined to fulfill his own side, which makes Harry's choice to walk away moot.
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> > Nikkalmati
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> > The ironic thing is that Sibyl suffers from the same curse as her
> > ancestress, Cassandra.  No one believes her predictions, but they,
> > in fact, all come true in one way or another.  That's why the
> > Prophecy comes true in the end - Sibyl is a true prophetess.
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> Mike:
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> Well, certainly Sibyll's prophesies that can be self-fulfilled came true, even if the people involved didn't realize that's what they were doing. I'm speaking of Harry fulfilling Sibyll's 2nd one about Peter escaping.
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> I wouldn't call Sibyll's card reading the same thing as prophetizing, at least in the strict sense. She was certainly channeling a similar magically ability, one that seers probably have in spades (pun intended). But card or Tarot reading is more like interpreting the signs than prophetizing, don't you think?
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> Mike
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Nikkalmati

> Well, I was lumping them both together.  Funny thing - she can't do interpretation either.  She misreads her own readings in all media.  She must be affected by the curse too.  Of course, "you are in grave danger" is so general it can't be misread, but she often gets the source of the danger wrong.  I find it amusing to visulize her badgering DD every day about his impending death, when he already knew all about it.  (I wonder if she ever addressed SS about his readings?).  Of course, prophecy is different.  It is unexpected and more dramatic.  She doesn't even know about her pronouncements.  It does seem, thought, that a Seer was expected to be familiar with all modes of prediction and be able to use them.  

I do see your point that if LV was going to fulfill his side of the Prophecy, Harry had little choice but to respond in some way.  DD knew Harry wouldn't run or hide, so from there, DD ust had to make Harry trust him and guide him.

I am not sure how Peter's escape was self-fulfilling.  Peter didn't know about it.  Neither did Lupin.  It was an "accident."  BTW we don't know all the prophecies in the DOM were unfulfilled.  Perhaps they were mostly fulfilled and kept for research purposes.

Nikkalmati