Snape and Harry and expulsion WAS: Re: CHAPTER DISCUSSION Chamber of Secrets

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Pippin:
Besides Jerri's example from HBP, there's also the Trio's attack on Snape in
PoA, where Snape claims the Trio were confunded and couldn't have known what
they were doing. Then he says that any other student would be suspended, at
least, just for having led his friends into danger and complains about the
amount of special treatment Harry gets. Of course, Snape himself is part of the
special treatment for Harry, but Fudge isn't to know that. So Snape is
definitely play-acting.

Alla:

While I disagree with Jerri's argument, I understand the example she brought up, Snape there does not bring up expulsion. Here as you said it yourself Snape says that any other student would be suspended, so to me this example is not relevant, whether very strongly or not, Snape does bring up the idea and I thought he says that kids were confunded when they start to advocate for Sirius, not to argue that they should not be expelled lol.

Pippin:
There are other times when Snape utters threats and doesn't carry through on
them.

Alla:

Maybe. The amounts of those times is definitely a matter of opinion though and I am talking specifically about Snape wanting Harry to be expelled (or not). I do not view it as a threat even, more like Snape's fond desire IMO.

Pippin:
 He doesn't turn Sirius over to the Dementors or spike Harry's pumpkin
juice with veritaserum.

Alla:

Not turning Sirius over to the Dementors is definitely matter of opinion. To me that is exactly what he did, but again I do not see how it is relevant here.

Pippin:
According to Bella, he's always saying he'll do things
and slithering out of action. Even she knows Snape's actions speak louder than
his words.

Alla:

I thought we are taking Voldemort and DE's words as suspect more often than not. So Bella is reliable witness now? But even if she is, again to me it is not very relevant. I am not talking about Snape's actions v Snape's words. I am not disputing that Snape himself has no power to expel Harry in fact that is exactly what he says and I believe him. My initial point was that I am convinced that Snape himself **wants** Harry expelled and thus could not reconcile his protection of Harry. It is not that I am closed to the arguments that Snape does not want Harry expelled, I just so far found them unconvincing.

Pippin:
Would Snape have liked to see Harry suspended for a while, or better yet, on his
knees, pleading to stay at Hogwarts? Of course! Subconsciously, IMO, Snape
wants to make Harry feel the way that James made him feel: frightened,
humiliated and hopelessly inferior. And he never misses a chance to do that.
Alla:

I think you are weakening your argument here. It is really not a long road to travel from what you describe to what I think Snape wants IMO.

Pippin:
 But
he never presses for Harry to be expelled when there's the slightest chance of
it actually happening. <SNIP>

Alla:

Never is once as far as I am concerned (fight in the bathroom) and IMO if Draco did not have to be expelled Snape would have done exactly that.

JMO,

Alla