CHAPTER DISCUSSION: Chamber of Secrets Chapter 18: Dobby's reward

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> Joey:
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> I think the jinx only ensured that the DADA teacher ceases to be a DADA teacher anymore. I agree that damaging secrets (damaging to the teacher, I mean :-)) were revealed in the case of Quirrel, Lockhart, Lupin and Fake!Moody. However, what damaging secret was revealed in the case of Umbridge? Everyone knew what she was already, didn't they? 

Potioncat:
Damaging secret may not be the best choice of words. Carol wrote an interesting analysis of the jinx, but darned if I can find it. The curse seems to do more than just prevent the DADA teacher from coming back. It pulls something from within the candidate and reveals something--using that weakness if you will to push him out of Hogwarts. 

The secret from Delores was that she sent the Dementors after Harry. That didn't go any farther than the kids, but neither did Lockhart's secret. It was her continuing drive to oust DD and her pure-blood mania that caused her disaster with the Centaurs--all tied into her weakness.


> JOey
> Snape did get to teach DADA in HBP even while DD was headmaster. If DD was so worried about the jinx or about any secret related to Snape being revealed, he wouldn't have risked giving the DADA teacher job to Snape at all. DD had a tougher challenge in HBP - it wasn't an ex-DE Snape vs a pathetic Lockhart anymore - he badly wanted the memory from Slughorn now. I think this time DD's desperation to get the memory outwieghed his suspicions about Snape going back to his old ways. 

Potioncat:
By HBP the curse was a moot point. DD had only a year and LV would move into Hogwarts. DD knew that, and was hoping Snape would be Headmaster. 

I know it was important for DD to bring Slughorn back, but I think it was more than needing Slughorn that caused him to move Snape. Although now that I think about it, perhaps he wouldn't have moved Snape if he hadn't needed Slughorn. Thinking about it more, someone worse--ie another DE may have come into the DADA position if Snape had not.

> Joey
> DD never became minister of magic as he thought he was not to be trusted with power and this despite the terrible remorse that filled his being. He gave second chances, yes, but he never had *100 percent* trust, I think. JMHO. :-)

Potioncat:
Agreed. He never quite trusted anyone well enough.
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