[HPforGrownups] CHAPTER DISCUSSION: Chamber of Secrets Chapter 18: Dobby's reward

[No Limberger]

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>No.Limberger responds:
>We can speculate that the spell to create a horcrux was probably only
>intended to be used with an inanimate object. Thus, when LV tried to
>kill Harry, it was probably Lily's ancient magic combining with the fact
>that LV's soul was already weakened and primed for splitting that
>allowed the unintentional horcrux creation to occur. LV never knew
>that Harry was a horcrux, and Harry didn't have to be completely
>destroyed in order for the horcrux to be removed. This was an
>unexpected consequence.

> Bart wrote:
>Well, this IS getting into the realm of hair splitting. And it is
>true that JKR never really fully defined a horcrux; we can only deduce
>from the "behavior" of the other horcruxes. And, for example, we can't
>know for sure how much Morty's connection with Naggy had to do with
>Naggy being a Horcrux, and how much being his natural affinity to
>snakes. Certainly, Morty's inability to get into Harry's head without so
>much pain as to make it not worth his while (note that, in OOP, Morty
>uses Harry's entree into HIS mind to manipulate Harry, rather than the
>other way around).

No.Limberger responds:
I completely agree in that my idea is highly speculative. I had forgotten
about Nagini being a horcrux, so my initial concept that a horcrux
was intended to be an inanimate object wasn't correct. However,
what is clear is that using an inanimate object would likely be far
more stable given both its longevity and lack of a living soul/mind
itself.

>Bart wrote:
>The Prophecy combined with the established canon (third person
>accounts, as opposed to quotes, unless the material quoted is given as
>objective rather than speculation, even if it's DD's speculation) still
>implies that the Mortysoul in Harry is different than that in the other
>horcruxes. It is implied that there is as much Mortysoul in Harry as
>there is in Morty (which isn't much). Which means that if Harry killed
>Morty without destroying his own piece of Mortysoul, he might end up
>becoming the "New Morty" himself.

No.Limberger responds:
You bring up an interesting point here. If each time that a horcrux
is created the soul is split 50/50, this suggests that each time a
horcrux is created, it contains only half as much soul as the
the preceding one. This means that in the progression of the
7 horcruxes being created by LV, they would each contain this
much of his soul: 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, 1/32, 1/64 and 1/128. Thus,
each time a new one is created, the soul itself becomes
increasingly less stable and less influential. We could speculate
that the reason why Harry was able to not be influenced that much
by the horcrux inside of himself was because of how little the
amount of soul from LV he contained. It also helps to explain,
imho, why LV's soul accidentally split when attempting to kill
Harry when Harry was 1 year old.

>Bart wrote:
>In any case, the point is that, from the point of view of a horcrux
>being a piece of a wizard's soul stored outside the wizard, then yes,
>Harry is a horcrux. But from the "behavior" we have observed from the
>diary, the ring, and Naggy (we don't really see anything from the cup or
>the diadem), it does not look like Harry is the same kind of horcrux as
>the rest.

No.Limberger responds:
I agree. Not only may Harry only have contained as little as 1/128 of
LV's soul, Harry was also complete, sentient being in his own right.
Harry was fully able to make his own decisions, beginning with
his desire to be in Gryffindor instead of Slytherin. Harry remained
loyal to Dumbledore, his friends and his family. He always despised
LV. While the diary, for example, was able to have a lot of influence
over Ginny, LV's influence over Harry was minimal. The diary never
recognized that Harry was, himself, a horcrux. And, once Harry
understood what he was, he knew what he had to do and was
willing to sacrifice himself to destroy that tiny part of LV's soul within
himself in order to destroy LV permanently.

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