Hate as motivation for murder in canon WAS: Re: Duane: Harry was Right?

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> Pippin:
> All his followers are shown to be capable of love, though it often leads them to do twisted things, and none of them kill out of hate, IIRC.  Quirrell tries to kill Harry out of fear that Harry will expose him, Riddle wants to kill Harry to get power ("Let's match the powers of..") so that's greed. Peter killed out of fear,  Crouch Jr hated his father for most of his life but didn't try to kill him until his father threatened to expose him. In HBP we see clearly that  Draco's hatred isn't enough to goad him into killing. It takes fear to do that, and once the fear is removed, he doesn't want to kill, though his hatred is unchanged. 
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> What canon shows, IMO, is that hate makes it easy to contemplate killing, but doesn't actually make it easier to do.  Which makes sense, if you think about it. Contemplating anything doesn't give you the power to do it.
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> Snape acted on his hatred of Harry almost from the moment he first saw him, but he knew enough about killing to know that killing wouldn't satisfy his hate.  His words to Sirius are very telling, IMO: "Give me a reason, and I swear I will" IOW, he didn't consider his hatred enough of a reason to kill. 


Alla:

I am not saying that all people who hate other people will go and kill them, or even try to kill them, of course not. I however disagree (and hope that JKR did not make such broad argument, because if she did, that does not ring true to RL for me at all) that hate alone cannot be a powerful motivator to murder people.

If she is saying with the Snape's character that not everybody will do it, sure I have no gripes with that, but no matter how many additional factors you can prescribe to Natzies as to why they wanted to murder all who did not look, walk and talk like them, all the minorities, Jews, Gypsies, Gays, it all started with hate in my view. So do I think hate alone is enough to contemplate and start murders? Yes, I do.

Take a look at the contemporary hate crimes, there is a reason why they are called hate crimes IMO.

And Peter killed out of fear? Sure, he did, but I have not noticed him loving those whom he killed. Malfoys are capable of love? Sure they are, *between themselves*. I have not noticed Lucius loving muggle borns and muggles, and those are species they aim to kill and yes, I think hate is at least part of his motivations.  What about Bella besides her being crazy murderer? Whom did she fear? I guess you could say that she feared what she imagined as her Lordie's love or lust for her, but again I see such hatred from her of muggles and muggle borns that I do not understand how you can claim that hate is not a powerful motivator to kill people in canon.

So I would say that Harry was wrong in thinking that this particular person (Snape) whom he correctly figured out hated him was going to kill him too, but I would say that there could have been a very good chance that he could have been right, because often people who hate do kill.

And again, what about Voldemort? I have not noticed any particular motivation for his killings besides hate. I guess we can assign world domination to him, but that is not mutually exclusive.

JMO,

Alla