Chapter Discussion: Prisoner of Azkaban Ch 16: Professor Trelawney's prediction

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 190281

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "nikkalmati" <puduhepa98 at ...> wrote:
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> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Liz Clark" <liz.treky@> wrote:
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> > > Zanooda:
> > >> I still think that Buckbeak never lost his head. The kids
> > >> only thought he did,...
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> > Taya:
> > I've been reading for a while, now decided to participate on
> > this time issue!
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> > Time is linear, that means it only happens once, even if people have a 
> > perception of it occurring twice, or more. Therefore, Buckbeak
> > never was  beheaded because in the single time stream, ...
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> I agree with June that there are different ways to write time travel and with Taya that JKR writes it as linear - that is-  there is no loop, no double memories, nothing is changed, things only happen once, although one person may see the same events at the same time from different perspectives.  ....
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> Query:  What other methods could DD use to know the past?  Even if we could go back, could we ever go forward?  After all, there is no there there, right?   What is so terrible about meeting yourself in the past?  What was it Hermione had been warned about?
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Steve:

On every issue up for discussion, there is always a group in the descenting camp. Some refuse to believe that Fred and George are not horrible evil bullying monsters, and some refuse to believe that TIME happened once, Harry and Hermione happened twice. 

JKR even drops clues the first time we view the time line indicating that the second Harry and Hermione are already there and have already joined that time line. 

I'm very much in the time happens ONCE catagory, and have spend many a long hour and many a LONG post trying to explain it to people who are entrenched in an alternate view. 

TIME ONLY HAPPENED ONCE. 

Keep in mind that Hermione had been time turning all year, are we really to suppose she spawned hundreds of new unique time lines simply by going to multiple classes? And if so, what happens to all those many many new time lines? DO they converge? Do they keep on going independently? Are there now hundreds of Hermiones living in hundred of different spawned time lines? 

No, the path with the least problems says, Time happens one. 


As to what Dumbledore knew about the future, I don't think he KNEW anything, but I think, as any intelligent person would, he understood what COULD happen in the future. 

Given the situation, there was only one solution, and that was Hermione's time turner. However, he was likely going to be involved in a lot of Ministry activities, given what had happened, so I don't think he was really in a position to do the time traveling himself. So given is position in the wizard world, I think he needed 'plausible deniability'.   

The alternative was to send Harry and Hermione, and though there certainly was a degree of risk to them, they had proved themselves in the past, and if things went right, the dangers, and even the legal risks, were presumably minimal. 

So, Dumbledore did not know what DID happen, he only knew what MIGHT happen if things went well. 

But then, that's just my opinion.

Steve/bboyminn