The Overarching message (of the HP books)

dumbledore11214 dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com
Fri Dec 30 22:31:31 UTC 2011


No: HPFGUIDX 191636

> Alla wrote:
> Him raping anybody is not canon though, his idea to keep Lily is a pet is  
> not canon either, although certainly saw enough canon clues to speculate  
> the same way, but it is not spelled out canon at all.
> 
> James:
> What, in real life, would the DEs do with women before killing them? What  
> would a loyal DE, and Snape was loyal to Voldie at the time, do with a  
> mudblood once he "owns" her? Tell all his DE friends how much he loves his  
> mudblood or treat her as a pet/slave/toy?
> How would a man, who thinks love means to kill those that the "love"  
> interest most loves and force her to be with him, treat a woman? Anything  
> like his father? Worse, since his personal "belief" is that she doesn't  
> even deserve to live?
> It takes very little to see where canon would take someone and saying that  
> a specific act was not mentioned in a kiddies book does not mean it isn't  
> quite logical that it happened. At least the Brothers Grimm told you what  
> was happening.


Alla:

Please note that nowhere in my post  I said that it is not a logical assumption. I agree that it is a very logical one, but assumption, canon based speculation, just not canon. I personally see nothing wrong with those assumptions and made plenty of them myself, but canon based speculation and canonical support are not quite the same things. 

As to what real life DE would do with the women they capture, well, there are no real life DE. I know I am stating the obvious, but bear with me please. Yes, of course I realize that JKR based Death Eaters on the real life terrorists, torturers,and all the people, whom I would probably have a problem calling human beings in real life. But we can only discuss how *Death Eaters* would behave based on what canon shows us. Do I think it is logical to speculate that Snape killed? Sure, of course. Because we are at least shown that other Death Eaters killed people and for me it is  not a leap at all to say that Snape is not a special snowflake and did everything that his comrades did. Is it logical to speculate that Snape raped women? I mean, I obviously have no right to tell you or any other reader what you can and cannot speculate about  of course, but no, for me it does not cut it at all, sorry. It had been a while since I reread the books, so I am happy to stand corrected, but I do not remember DE shown raping women, so I cannot make a leap that Snape did it.

I mean, there is plenty of other things to put at his feet for me and castigate him for, I see no reason to make up additional ones. Canon shows us indeed that he was happy for Lily's husband and her young child to die from Voldemort's hand. He was happy to see two people whom Lily (the woman he supposedly loved!) loved the most in the world dead. For this alone he would forever be a scum of the earth character for me and if you add what he did to Harry all those years, and I do not think any fate but death would have been a satisfactory conclusion for him in my eyes.

But I see no need to come up with the things he allegedly did.

JMO,

Alla





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