Chapter Discussion: Prisoner of Azkaban Ch 19: The Servant of Lord Voldemort

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> Librasmile:
> Missed the point I see.
> It's not a question of pro or con but a question of...impenetrability. I would expect to see some new insights in a discussion. I expect exchange, even in a discussion of fiction - ESPECIALLY in a discussion of fiction - to generate responses that don't seem to be equivalent to political parties holding firm to their positions regardless of what logic or genuinely valid alternate views are expressed.

Alla:

No, you are the one who missed the point. Discussing the list members, their discussions styles,the way they write or do not write is pretty much off topic, thats all there is to it.

Lobrasmile:
Forget my own Snape bias which I freely admit. If Snape were substituted with some other person in the Shrieking Shack incident, I fully believe that the anti-Snape arguments would change. The non-Snape victim would receive some modicum of sympathy. There would be some acknowledgement of Sirius culpability. 

Alla:

While I cannot speak for any other antiSnape cheerleaders, I can totally say for myself - your assumption is wrong. Thats the whole point, when we discuss facts, we may make inferences as Snape fans or Sirius fans, but facts are facts. Any other idiot who would have behaved like Snape in this situation would have received no sympathy from me, NONE. By the way, it is  quite possible to genuinely see Snape as very evil man, I do not need to twist facts, or anything like that, thats how I see him. I acknowledge him learning at the end of his life, that Voldemort's side was wrong, that to me does not make him an admirable human being, just somebody who fought on the right side.


Librasmile:
I certainly don't expect cheerleaders for Snape but I do expect to see some acknowledgement that there equally valid counter arguments against seeing Snape as purely evil. However, that's not what I see. I simply see the equivalent of partisan radio or talk shows.

Alla:

You can only *expect* such acknowledgment if the person with whom you are discussing things genuinely sees such possibility. I don't. As I said above I acknowledge that Snape learned what is the right side in the fight and that all lives are worth saving. Said fact notwithstanding, this only makes him not as evil as Voldemort for me. Voldemort is evil on the grandscale, but any person who tormented little boy for years and years, little boy whom he helped make an orphan is an every day evil in my eyes. No flipping of the facts is needed. You may not see that as evil, thats your right, I do, kindly award me the courtesy of acknowledging that my views are as genuine as yours. I have no desire arguing what I do not believe in, never did.

For almost ten years I had been here, Snape always was one of the most polarizing figures in discussion, so of course those discussions are more often like debates. There are plenty of much less polarizing topics which were and are being discussed.

Librasmile:
> So thank you. I've at last taken the time to get a good look at what's going on here and I shall value it accordingly.


Alla:

Thats your right.

Potioncat:
Ah the good old days...we used to be very particular about canon based debates.
Even then, interpretions of canon could vary a lot. And some of us who argue
from different sides of the topic are really friends.


Alla:

Nooooo, how can I be a friend with you? You like HIM  LOLOLOLOL.

One day I will do another Ode to Potioncat, one of the funniest Snape fans I have had a privilege to get to know here at HPFGU :) and OMG I did this discussion with Zara, who is another Snape fan and the dearest friend. And we like different characters heheh.

Nikkalmati:

Remember DD himself espoused these ideas as a young man and he played around
with the idea of putting Muggles in their place and ruling the world as wizards.
I imagine the ideas LV espoused were promulgated originally by Grindenwald and
had been partly DD's own ideas. DD was expiating his own crimes by trying to
fight bigotry in his old age.


Alla:

Absolutely agreed, but what does this have to do with Snape's ideas? Sorry I am just confused.