[HPforGrownups] Harry's alleged debt to Dumbledore and Snape WAS: Re: Chapter Discussion

[Margaret Fenney]

No: HPFGUIDX 190847

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> > Pippin:
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> > DD's contribution was everything he did to keep Harry alive up till then,
> including allowing him to face dangers so that when Harry finally did meet a
> Voldemort who had recovered his full strength, he
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> was able to defend himself and not freeze like he did when he faced
> Quirrell.
>

Bookcrazzzy:

I would add that DD went to great lengths to research Voldemort from his Tom
Riddle days forward, horcruxes and hallows, and figured out what Voldemort
was doing and why.  He also deduced the nature and means of the ancient
magic that protected Harry and tied Harry and Voldemort together.   Harry
was a "marked man" from the day his parents died because he became the "boy
who lived" and because of the prophecy - there is no doubt that Voldemort
would hunt him down.  I don't believe that DD wanted Harry to die, in fact,
he figured out the ancient magic and what would be necessary for Harry to
best Voldemort and survive which is why he is so very happy at Kings Cross.
I don't thing DD was perfect by any means but he had great responsibility
for many people and made lots of extremely difficult decisions, some to act
and some to refrain from acting.  I doubt that many would have been right as
often as he was.

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> > Alla:
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> > I certainly hope that there are values that Harry has that are different
> from Dumbledore, like I doubt it is in Harry to become a God of WW and
> wanting to decide people's fate the way Dumbledore did, I hope Harry will be
> content to be left alone and let people exercise their free will and not
> manipulate them so mercilessly. But again I definitely agree that there are
> a lot of values they have in common.
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> > Pippin:
> > So, um, ....if DD intervenes, he's playing god, and if he doesn't
> intervene, he's letting evil go on when he could have stopped it. Just what
> is it that you think he should have done and how should he
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> have known that it was okay to do it? It seems to me Harry will intervene
> when it is an emergency and he thinks he can influence events for good, and
> that is just what Dumbledore did.
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Bookcrazzzy:

I agree with Pippin that you can't have it both ways.  He should have forced
the Dursleys to behave better or forced the Order to do more sooner, etc.
while at the same time he should not have interfered with others lives.   He
refrained from forcing Draco to do anything when he knew Draco was working
to kill him which is seen as risking the students, but anything else that he
did would have been signing Draco's death warrant.  He is criticized for not
trusting people while, in the books, he clearly trusts many far further than
anyone else in the WW would - giants, werewolves, etc.


Bookcrazzzy


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