Dumbledore

[nikkalmati]

No: HPFGUIDX 190867



--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, Margaret Fenney <fenneyml at ...> wrote:
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> I would just like to mention a couple of things about Dumbledore:
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> 1.  Although he knew he didn't have much longer to live, DD clearly did not
> expect to die as soon as he did.  He was teaching Harry about LV, horcruxes,
> etc. and there is no way to know what else he intended to tell Harry.  It is
> highly probable, though, that he did not get to tell Harry all that he
> intended to tell him.
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Nikkalmati
DD knew he was dying for almost a year.  He probably did not withhold anything he intended to tell Harry.  Anything he kept to himself, he would never have told Harry.  Harry himself says that DD wanted him to learn slowly so that he would not be tempted to run off after the Hallows.  I'm sure that is what DD thought, but that was DD's own peculiar way of looking at things.  He really didn't think anyone else could handle the truth, and then look at who it was who couldnot resist the Resurrection Stone.

Nikkalmati

> 2.  DD was not a god and was not omniscient.  He learned things over time,
> especially when it came to the magic bonding Harry and LV.  I don't think
> that DD ever wanted Harry to die or planned for his death.  I believe that
> only quite late in the game, after he understood all of the implications of
> the horcruxes and hallows, and Harry being a horcrux himself, that it became
> clear to DD that Harry had to "die" in order to survive.  It wasn't a matter
> of Harry dying for the benefit of the WW (although that was certainly
> important) but Harry could not survive himself unless he overcame LV through
> "death".
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> JMO,
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>Nikkalmati
DD was a man with some very distictive weaknesses.  He believed in himself, but not anyone else.  Did he really think Harry or McGonagall or Snape would run off and make a Horcrux if he told them what LV had done? 
I do believe he intended for Harry to die from the beginning.  He knew some scars could be useful as he said in PS.  He had already started looking for the Horcruxes when he questioned Morphin and Hepzibah's elf before they each died, which was pretty early on - maybe before LV asked for a job at Hogwarts.  So, I conclude, he knewsomthing about Harry being a Horcrux from the start and he thought Harry must die "f or the greater good."  He was happy when things turned out so Harry could come back, but he did not plan it that way.
The way the story was devised, Harry has to be a sacrificial hero.  He has to extend Lily's protection to the WW by dying for the whole WW.  By the time he was 17, I don't think he had to be tricked into it.  I think he would have chosen to die, if he thought he could save the WW that way.  DD could just have told him.  The Prophecy says "neither can live while the other survives" (OTP p 841 US hardback), but it should say "neither can die while the other lives".  It was LV's attachment to Harry and to the Horcruxes that were left that saved Harry.  

Nikkalmati    

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