Dumbledore

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No: HPFGUIDX 190887



.> Pippin:
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.> Though Dumbledore made Harry swear to obey any commands he might give, he never commanded Harry not to give the information about Voldemort to anyone else. He *asked* Harry not to share it with anyone except Ron and Hermione, who had proved themselves trustworthy. 
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>   Harry exaggerated his instructions, just as he did when he decided the rules of the Tri-Wizard Tournament forbade him to ask for help from anyone, not just teachers. Harry was even told that Lupin and Moody had been commanded to give him any help that he might ask, but he still thought he ought to do it all himself. That was Harry's "thirst to prove himself" talking, not Albus Dumbledore. 

Alla:

When did Dumbledore ever distinguish between "asking" and "commanding"? He never gave Harry commands saying "I command you". He mostly asks in a nice voice, etc, but did anybody ever doubt that it was a command? I do not think Harry exaggerated anything here, but did exactly as Dumbledore asked. Or are you saying that when Dumbledore asks, it actually means implied permission to do the opposite?

Dumbledore never *commanded* Harry to get the real memory from Slugghorn either, and when Harry dared to be occupied by more mundane matters, dear Albus kindly asked Harry "may I hope then, than you will give this matter higher priority from now on"? Would you argue that Harry *exaggerated* Dumbledore's instructions here?

No, to me Dumbledore's "asking" Harry not to share information with anybody else was very clear command and poor Harry of course as always obeyed to the letter.

And of course Dumbledore never even "asked" Harry to sacrifice himself, he just made sure Harry saw their conversation and let him work it all out in his head how it all makes sense.

And yes, Lupin and Moody were given instructions to help him except of course Dumbledore directed Harry not to share the most important part of where he might need that help.

Pippin: 
> But Harry had obvious reasons not to trust, say, Scrimgeour. Scrimgeour was willing to imprison Stan Shunpike for political purposes; why should Harry be any different? 

Alla:

Of course, what does Scrimgeour has to do with it, who claims that Harry needed to trust him?!  I am saying that Dumbledore cut out from Harry his most important support network - Order of Phoenix on his questt, that I find unforgivable. Thank goodness he did not cut out Ron and Hermione, because we all understand that for the needs of the plot kids needed to be heroes, I get all that, but from "within" the story, I am disgusted with Dumbledore anyway.

JMO,

Alla