Dumbledore WAS: Re: Love and Joy vs. Hate and Despair

[June Ewing]

No: HPFGUIDX 190919

>> June:
>> <snip> People need to realize that Dumbledore and Harry were put
>> into the situation they were in because of Voldemort. When
>> Dumbledore found out about the horcruxes and realized he didn't
>> have much time left because of the injury caused by the ring he
>> destroyed,

> Nikkalmati:
> And whose fault was that?

June:
Well, it was Voldemort's fault. He created horcruxes to live forever
and the only way to destroy him, was to distroy the horcruxes.

>> June:
>> . . he had to hurry to help Harry to learn what he needed to
>> know. There were things that happened I am sure that Dumbledore
>> didn't count on, like the curse in the ring that burned his hand
>> and gave him a short time to live. He knew before his passing, I
>> am sure, that Harry himself was a horcrux and he realized that
>> that meant Harry would have to die as well,

> Nikkalmati:
> He could have sat Harry down and told him all he needed to know
> in a couple of sessions. I guess DD thought they would actually
> get the necklace Horcrux when he took Harry with him to the cave.
> Yes, he wanted Harry to see how it was done, but he didn't tell
> him why they were doing it. So strange.

June:
Actually he did tell him why they were doing it. He told him that
he was suspicious about the horcruxes when Harry destroyed the
diary and had been looking for them and finally found one (the
ring). And he told him there were 5 more out there and they had to
find them and destroy them in order to destroy Voldemort.

>> June:
>> however he made sure that Harry had a chance by giving the book,
>> The Tales of Beedle The Bard to Hermione, whom he knew would
>> figure it out. The one who possesses all three deathly hollows
>> controls death (or something to that effect). Dumbledore knew
>> that if Harry could take possession of all of them, he would be
>> able to let Voldemort kill him to rid himself of the horcrux
>> within him and would survive. The stone was in the snitch, the
>> cloak he already owned because it was passed down from his father
>> (he was related to the third brother) and the wand he took
>> possession of when he disarmed Malfoy, who was the proper owner
>> at that point of the wand. Dumbledore made sure he did everything
>> possible to keep Harry alive and it worked.

> Nikkalmati:
> This is an interesting theory, but I am not sure how it would work.
> The one thing Harry concludes in DH is that DD did not intend for
> him to go after the Hallows. At the time Harry entered the Forent
> neither he, nor LV, nor the Wand knew he was the Master. DD
> explained to Harry in King's Cross that he intended for Snape to
> end up with the Wand, which would be given to him freely.
> Therefore, I con't see that DD intended for Harry to get the
> Hallows or that Harry was protected from death in that way. Too
> bad, that would have been a good ending.

June:
That is the way it ended. I believe now that you mentioned it that
Dumbledore did not mean for him to look for the DH (I will have to
look it up because that is actually the book I remember the least)
but he did (and Dumbledore would be a fool to not think that he
would because Harry is curious that way). It may have been a bonus
that Harry found them, however, you cannot argue that Harry already
had the cloak and Dumbledore gave him the stone. The stone is what
was in the snitch. Perhaps having two items would be enough to save
him (especially if the wand was in the hands of someone on his side).
Personally I don't know how Dumbledore could expect that Snape had
possession of the wand when Malfoy had taken it from Dumbledore.
Truth is that it was luck that Harry got the wand in his possession.
If he wasn't at the Malfoy mannor, he would have had no reason to
disarm Malfoy.