Dumbledore and triwizard tournament WAS: Re: Love and Joy vs. Hate and Despair

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> > Alla:
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> > Confused again. Granted I have not reread GoF for quite some time, but are you saying that in the book nobody is suggesting that Harry should be withdrawn? In other words, I am just not sure which part is movie contamination. 
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> Pat: 
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> You are correct, in the book neither Karkaroff or Madame Maxime suggest that Harry's name should be withdrawn. (They both instead demand that their schools should be allowed another contestant also.) McGonagall wants DD to do something, she is obviously quite anxious with the thought that Harry should be forced to be a part of things. But DD reminds her that it is a binding contract. 
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> As for your comment that because it was Crouch!Moody that put Harry's name into the GOF, he shouldn't have been held to it - well, all I can say is that it wasn't the Goblet's job to determine if the person putting the name in was actually the person whose name was written on the paper. The Goblet's job was to choose one entrant from each school (Crouch!Moody admits at the end that he confunded the Goblet into believing there was a fourth school). 
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> Obviously JKR puts these restrictions on the Goblet and on DD so that the story can continue and things will work out the way they do. She has a plan for her story and we just have to sit tight and let things unfold. Sorry that you can't enjoy the ride!
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Alla:

Okay, yes I looked it up, it was movie contamination on my behalf that everybody asks him to, sorry about that. Of course McGonagall still wants him to do something and that was my point that he is being asked, but yeah that was movie contamination.

My point was not though that since it was Crouch!Moody who put name in, Harry should not have been accountable. My point was that maybe (of course I do not know for sure) since there was false play and everybody suspected it, Dumbledore should have tried to dissolve it. Would it have worked? We do not know, my point is he did not try. Maybe if he tried, he would have discovered that the contract would not stand *because* of false play, but he did not, so we will never know. 

Potioncat:
Excuse me for being blunt, but you are thinking like a Muggle.

Magical Contracts are not the same as Muggle contracts. We know for example,
that House Elves must work for their Wizard families unless freed(sacked) by the
gift of clothing. It doesn't matter that the "gift" was unintended or even that
the wizard didn't know clothing was involved. Lucius Malfoy accidentally freed
Dobby when Harry put his own sock in the diary. Very similar to what happened
with the Goblet of Fire.

Alla:

Right, of course I was comparing it to Muggle contracts, but again we do not know how magical contracts work, right? I mean the contracts which are not really contracts, whether magic will consider them invalid, etc. He did not try, so we do not know.

And great example, Lucius Malfoy did not intent to free Dobby from the contract. So maybe by accident (false play) the contract could have been dissolved?

Of course we do not know if it is true or not.