Movie: Harry's Wand in the Forbidden Forest and Big-V's Death

[nikkalmati]

No: HPFGUIDX 191029



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> In the scene where Harry appears before Voldemort in the Forbidden Forest, Harry is holding his wand in his HAND. The books make it very clear that Harry stashes his wand so he is not tempted to defend himself. He understands, though the movie makers apparently do not, that he must meet his end willingly and without resistance. I think that is one of the keys to how and why this whole situation works. 
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> The Protection that Harry extends to everyone else is based on his own willing sacrifice for the others. But taking that one step further, on a more mundane basis, what happens to his wand if he is holding it in his hand, and is then hit with the killing curse. Would any of the Death Eaters be so foolish as to think he could be dead and still maintain his grip on his wand? 
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Nikkalmati

I'm sorry this scene was a problem for you.  It does not appear Harry was carrying a wand when Hagrid was carrying him out.  I agree that  something important was lost there in the movie, but I can't entirely blame them with the director having to choose from a smorgasbord of causes and factors.  

I see Harry must go willingly in order to make himself a sacrifice but then how does his sacrifice affect anything?  Ok, the Horcrux is destroyed and the spells cast by LV after he returns are weaker but is that all Harry's sacrifice achieves?  In the end he has to come back to life and let LV kill himself all over again.  And what about the blood protection?  Is that what brings Harry back?  What about the mastery of the Elder Wand?  Did that just mean the wand comes to Harry when called?  I think the book itself confused the issue of sacrifice and we are just reading it as what should be there, if it had been properly worked out.

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> Once additional point that bothered me - How did Voldemort die?
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> Was it because Neville killed Nagini, and that alone? 
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> Did Harry kill him?
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> Did his own rebounding curse kill him?
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> Did anything that can be seen in the movie kill him? 
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Nikkalmati

If one just sees the movie (as millions of people will), it appears that when Nagini is killed, LV goes too.  I think this is where the movie wants to go, because LV gets weaker (or stomach pains or something) when each Horcrux is destroyed. Maybe a fragment of soul left to him is not enough to sustain him.  (Note Harry did not offer him a chance at redemption either). Also, the killing of Nagini was postponed until the very last moment, when if the books He kills her as soon as LV offers to take back anyone who wants to join him.  So it looks like it was planned to make that the crucial moment.  Does that mean Neville killed LV?

I was sorry to see that Snape's preoccupation with getting to Harry was glossed over.  He must say "let me get the boy" about 10 times in the book, but that line was given to Lucius.  Also, the chance to undermine LV by pointing out Snape's true loyaty was skipped.  

Nikkalmati

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> Bring it all back to the books, I think there is sufficient precedence in the books for both these scenes to have played out differently. I think Harry's willingness to go to his death without resistance, and the precise means and circumstances of Voldemort's death are sufficiently emphasized in the books, that they should also have been emphasized in the movies. Oh well, too late now.

Nikkalmati

Unfortunately, the movies will become canon for many. :(

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