Chapter Discussion: Prisoner of Azkaban Ch 18: Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and Pron

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.> Nikkalmati
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> I don't think any one places all the blame on Sirius, but he bears most of it.  :>)  He knew the truth and what was likely to happen.  Snape did not.  Being nosey or anitch does not deserve death.  Just try setting a lethal trap for a burgler and find out what the law says about that.  You would be in jail and all your possessions probably would end up in the hands of the burgler's living relatives.  

Alla:

I am not talking about what Snape deserved or did not deserve in Sirius' mind though, I am talking about the fact that Snape went there entirely voluntarily, this is what I am blaming Snape for and refuse to put this part on Sirius' shoulders, thats all. Or to use your words I disagree with "setting a trap" part of what you are describing. Sirius told him how to get there, add to it the argument based on book seven's Snape conversation with Lily that Snape possibly knew who was there and as far as I am concerned Sirius was not setting up anything, he was giving Snape an information which Snape was seeking. Snape was so eager to go there and while this is not a fact, again based on his conversation with Lily, I am quite convinced he knew. Who knows maybe he wanted to be a hero and take the werewolf down (speculation but based on how I see canon Snape). oops.

Nikkalmati:
> The second point always puzzled me.  What was Sirius thinking?  I guess he thought if Snape kept snooping around he would eventually find out what the Animagi were doing and he thought something like "a dead Snape tells no tales." We see he is portrayed as reckless and heedless even as an adult, so I guess I can go with that - but how could Lupin forgive him when the consequences for him were expulsion or possible execution?  Didn't James resent even a little that he had to risk his life because of that stupid trick?  How did Dumbledore get Snape to agree to keep mum?  That's another puzzle.

Alla:

Right, while as far as I am concerned Snape was the master of his own fate that night by deciding to go in the Shack, Remus was not, Remus had absolutely no choice in participating in Sirius' idiocy, that is why I feel that *to him* Sirius acted truly maliciously, to the truly innocent in that sense and yes, his forgiveness would always puzzled me big time. Snape as far as I am concerned dig his own grave that night. Walk away and nothing like that would have happened. I know I said many times but I was worried that she will tell us that Sirius told him something like "Lily would wait for you there", or something like that. I was so happy that we have learned nothing to that effect. Oh and Dumbledore making Snape to keep mum to me supports the idea that Snape's intentions and hands were very far from being clean in this matter and Dumbledore could have threatened Snape with exposing him for trying to kill fellow student (Remus).

JMO,

Alla