Time Travel, the Stall, and the All Knowing Mind?

[nikkalmati]

No: HPFGUIDX 190362



--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
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> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, Margaret Fenney <fenneyml@> wrote:
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> > Shelley
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> > > > My husband also pointed out that Dumbledore, in order to stall
> > > > at Hagrid's "intentionally" to allow Harry and Hermione 
> > > > time to rescue Buckbeak, must have been aware of the Time
> > > > travel.
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> Steve:
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> On Time Travel, we have had many discussion, some lasting weeks, and the always break into the same two camps -
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> - Time happens once
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> Personally, the "Time Happens Twice" never made a lick of sense to me, so I'm firmly in the other camp. However, it always gets down to these two camps being firmly entrenched and unyielding. Which is exactly where I stand - entrenched and unyielding. 
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> I've been thinking about this for years, as well as discussing it equally long, and no matter how you slice it and dice it, to me, only "Time Happens Once" makes any sense at all. And, yes, people have explained the alternate theory in great detail many many many many times, and it still doesn't make sense to me.
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> As to Dumbledore intentionally delaying, much like time travel, that is open to interpretation. 
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> I doubt that Dumbledore has any way of seeing into the future. He doesn't seem to hold Divination in very high regard. But we do know from example, that Dumbledore has a very strong intuitive sense. He picks up on details that fly right over the heads of others. I think, to a small extent, that come with age and experience, but at the same time, some people just have a talent for it. 
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> I think we have far more evidence for this view, than for Dumbledore having some magical sense of the unforetold future. 
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Nikkalmati

I think we would all agree that time travel does not exist.  That means it can be written in different ways in different contexts with different rules as long as it fits together. What we want to know is what did JKR intend?  Even since Wells' The Time Machine, authors have been struggling to make it work.  The simplest, the least complicated answer is that there is only one time-line.  What happened happened and it included someone who was time traveling.  I think that was the choice JKR made, partly because of the hints that  H & H as well as the Trio were present at Hagrid's hut the first time; also, because there is no explanation for Harry's rescue at the lake if we assume two timelines.

DD may have stalled the execution intentionally, if he caught a glimpse of H&H out the window leading Buckbeak away and did not want them to be caught by Fudge (and wanted Buckbeak to live).  Later, upon reflection, and talking to Sirius, he may have realized that the H&H he saw take Buckbeak could not be the same H&H who chased Ron and Sirius across the grounds into the Whomping Willow.   He then would know Hermione must have used her Time-turner and encouraged her to do just that. He knew what would happen because it had already happened.

What then was it Hermione feared if they were seen?  I doubt she would have been upset by seeing herself, but it could have gotten her and Harry into trouble for misuse of the device.  She seems much more concerned than that, however.  Maybe if they are seen, the time-line could change and the outcome be in doubt.  Maybe if they are seen, it could create two time lines with two Harrys and Hermionies living on indefinitely. Remember it also was very important for them to get back to the infirmary in time to meet themselves as they left.  As another little bit of evidence, do you recall when Hermione fell asleep and missed Charmes class?  She was very upset and went to Flitwick to apologize.  She knew she could not go back and attend class because it had already happened and she was not there and everyone, including Harry and Ron, knew she was not there.

Nikkalmati