Chapt Disc: Prisoner of Azkaban Ch 16: - More Time Travel Justification

[nikkalmati]

No: HPFGUIDX 190402



--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
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> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, June Ewing <doctorwhofan02@> wrote:
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> > > Steve:
> > > You are missing the preventative aspect of it. Something doesn't
> > have to happen, only so you can go back and undo it. If you know an
> > action is imminent, then you can act to circumvent it,...
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> > June:
> > Correct me if I am wrong, but what you are talking about is the
> > conclusion by Dumbledore that there is a reason that something
> > has not gone wrong, ie Buckbeak has disappeared, everyone thinks
> > he got away but Dumbledore is not convinced and thinks he may have
> > sent Hermione back in time to fix it. That makes sense except for
> > one thing. If Buckbeak did get away on his own Harry and Hermione
> > would have seen him get away when they went back in time and
> > wouldn't have to do anything.
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> Steve:
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> Not quite. Buckbeak getting away doesn't solve all the problems. Buckbeak is relatively tame as Hypogriphs go. He also seem somewhat bonded to Hagrid. So, Buckbeak could come wandering back, or be found grazing nearby, and be in danger again. However, Buckbeak being free and not dead, eventually gives Dumbledore the idea to use Buckbeak. 
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> Now, he doesn't necessarily know, that TT!Harry and TT!Hermione help Buckbeak escape, but the odds of Buckbeak escaping are much higher if TT!H/H are there. And the odds of Buckbeak escaping in a way that is helpful to the current situation are even higher.
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> True if literally nothing happens, then nothing needs to be fixed. I'll agree with that. 
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> But in this situation, it is pretty hard to say nothing is happening. In the beginning Buckbeak's death is eminent, virtually guaranteed; by the end Sirius is in grave danger, and Peter has escaped. That is far from nothing. 
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> Things are about to happen, and these are all things that can be changed or aided with preventative action. 
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> So things are about to happen or are happening that can be changed to their advantage. 
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> Steve/bboyminn

Nikkalmati

DD knows that Buckbeak was firmly tied when he and Fudge and McNair arrived and that Hagrid did not have the gumption to go against the Ministry and release him - besided Hagrid was in view all the time.  He only had to work out what may have happened to Buckbeak to know what he had to do.  After all he had plenty of time to question Hagrid over tea and maybe he checked on the trio's movements and found they went back to the castle. 
 
There was a lot of activity around that night.  I wonder why DD didn't run into Lupin or Snape when he left Hagrid's.  Do you think Fudge and McNair joined them for tea?  Probably not, so where did they go?  They seemed to be right at hand when Snape came back with Sirius and Harry.  

BTW why did Umbridge have a Patronus?  I thought only Order members could perform that spell and that DD had taught it to them.  Can you think of any other non-Order member who has one (other than the students in the DA).

Nikkalmati
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