Patronus

[nikkalmati]

No: HPFGUIDX 190407



--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Cheryl" <cheri0427 at ...> wrote:
>
> > Nikkalmati:
> > > BTW why did Umbridge have a Patronus? I thought only Order members
> could perform that spell and that DD had taught it to them. Can you
> think of any other non-Order member who has one (other than the 
> students in the DA).
> 
> > likesblackcats:
> > The Patronus charm is NOT just an Order thing. It's a very difficult
> charm, but it is quite well-known. Reference Harry's DADA examiner who
> asked him to perform the Patronus Charm for a bonus point in the
> practical portion of his exam (OOTP).
> >
> > However, I think the Order may be the only ones who know how to make a Patronus SPEAK.
> >
> 
> 
> Cheryl:
> According to Remus Lupin, in Prisoner of Azkaban, the Patronus charm is
> considered to be "well beyond OWL (Ordinary Wizarding Level) Defense
> Against the Dark Arts Training. So my guess it is only taught to
> students studying for their Newt in DADA. So I'd guess that all
> Aurors would have one and any one that was interested/studied the Dark
> Arts or the Defense Against the Dark Arts. Since Harry was able to learn
> it, he was able to teach it to the Dumbledore Army members.
> 
> 
> Here's a link to all things Patronus, plus it lists all the cannon
> patronuses for HP characters.
> 
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Nikkalmati

Interesting comments.  I see that the speaking Patronus being DD's invention is not confirmed, but a reasonable assumption.  Lupin does not teach Harry to make a speaking Patronus.  Does that mean Harry cannot make one?  
My thought always was that Harry felt safe following the silent doe in the Forest of Dean, because he believed it must have been made by an Order member.  I will have to revise that thinking.  Of course, Harry had seen Umbridge's Patronus by that time.  Could Umbridge have been in the original Order?  She was never confirmed as a Death Eaather (just a fellow traveler).  It is strange that both Umbridge and Prof. McGonagal have the same Patronus.

Nikkalmati