Occlumency

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> Alla:
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> And still they see the things in child's mind, very specific things, flashes or not. I snipped your examples of real life teachers, but just wanted to say that you misunderstood me, sorry for being unclear. I know that teachers in some schools (or in many schools, I am not sure whether all private schools here allow it) are required to search students and in some instances I sure find it justified, but just as you brought the real life case, I thought I remembered the real life case where student's privacy was violated and parents brought it to court and won. I thought that there were more than one situations when parents brought it to court if not won, so people do not necessarily think that teacher's right to search trumps any right students have. If I find the link, I will send it to you.

Alla:

Sorry for replying to myself, but here is the link I was thinking about. I have no idea how Supreme Court ruled, and do not have time to search for that. They may as well lost, but my point is enough people do think that teachers should *not* have an absolute right to search students and Supreme court cared enough to take this case on and since this seems to be one of the analogies you are making with legilimency, I do not think it stands for proposition that since students cannot consent (or can in some situations) they should not be protected from some intrusive violations of their privacy. Obviously there are situations where it can be justified, search that is, however, my point is that legilimency seems to be ten times more intrusive than any search and b) it is not always justified. 

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/supreme_court_to_hear_honor_student_strip_search_case/

In other words, it is all well and good if you think that Snape standing in loco parentis should give him unlimited ownership over Harry's body and mind, I dont, be it Potterverse or real life teachers. I mean, I am exaggerating of course, I understand that your argument is probably that Snape should have unlimited command over Harry the moment he suspects that Harry is in danger, but my argument stays the same - I still think that there are should be limits upon teacher's power. Of course no thanks to Severus Snape, Harry has no parents to check upon that power and protect him from that. No Lily Potter or James Potter can go into Hogwarts and demand I dont know some sort of hearing, but that does not mean that I as a reader should be happy with the unlimited power Snape wields with the complete approval from Dumbledore.

I also want to touch upon the issue of consent, since I may have been in a rush and unclear. I am not arguing that wizarding kids have less rights than adults, obviously they do, but to me it is unclear that they do not have any rights at all (see Harry's hearing in OOP, ridiculous as it was), so if it is not spelled out, maybe it is still there by silence (right not to consent). However regardless whether they can consent to it or not, if teachers can do so, to me it is the practice that needs to be abolished, same as sending innocent people to prison.

JMO,

Alla