Occlumency

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--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "nikkalmati" <puduhepa98 at ...> wrote:
> Nikkalmati
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> I am not getting much traction with my theory that Legilemency cannot be performed on an unknowing victim.  Oh well, it doees not make for as interesting a discussion.  

Alla:

Right, I cant really debate this point with you since we disagree on the basic premise of the discussion, but I wanted to add something and actually want to ask a question about your last sentence.

Nikkalmati: 
> I would agree with Alla that mind invasion is a serious and severe invasion of privacy.  I would also agree with Shaun that the examples given are justified by the relationship of the parties and the situation Harry is in. The legal situation is probably pretty much as Shaun describes it.  I would point out that recent changes in the US give even parents less authority over their children than at common law and the limits of privacy are still being debated.  The WW is much more traditional, however.  

Alla:

Not so much in the US though, it is definitely a conversation for Off topic chatter group, but I was so intrigued and wanted to know just how much teachers in the US actually *required* to search students, and how much protection if any students actually have that I have had a conversation with somebody who taught in NY public schools for almost twenty years till very recent time and whose close family members are still teaching in NY public schools. Shawn I will post it on OTC if you care to read it, since I do not think I can connect it to Potterverse in direct way right now.


Nikkalmati:
> In support of my theory.  I would point out that Snape never seems to gain any information (about the car, the Mauraders' Map, the cloak, thefts from his stores etc.)  He never takes any action that could have been based on such knowledge.  In fact, if he had gained any knowledge, the car might have been retreved from the FF, and he might have figured out that Harry was hearing voices, or how the Map was used or that Mad Eye was a fake.  He knows none of these things even after supposedly reading Harry's mind.  In each of these examples, Harry was suffering from a guilty conscience and overactive imagination.  Note these incidents disappear after Harry learns what Legilemency really is like in OTP.  

Alla:

Out of curiosity how does the fact that these incidents dissappear after Harry learns what Legilimency is support your theory that Snape was not legilimencing Harry before? I would think that it works against you because all that it tells me that Harry learns to frame what is happening to him in more appropriate expressions when Snape invades his mind? Thanks.
> Nikkalmati
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