DeathEaterDogma!

[⸘Ŭalabio‽]

	2013-06-22T12:23:26Z, "Bart Lidofsky" <bart at moosewise.com>:

> 	Bart:

> 	Actually, the Deatheaters are extremely pragmatic; they rely on their "useful idiot" (to use a term garnered from Stalin) followers to be dogmatic.

> 	Walabio:

>> 	The term is usually credited to Lenin, but this is what the senior reference librarian at the Library of Congress has to say about the issue:

>> 	Despite often being attributed to Lenin, in 1987, Grant Harris, senior reference librarian at the Library of Congress, declared that "We have not been able to identify this phrase among [Lenin's] published works."

> 	Bart:

> 	I said "garnered from Stalin", although I should have said "garnered" or "attributed" to Lenin. There are many Russian works (including many by Lenin and Stalin) which have never been published in the U.S. and therefore would not be in the Library of Congress; here, however is a 1987 article by William Safire, one of the world's foremost experts on the English language: http://tinyurl.com/lhlsxsd (this points to a New York Times article). Now, back on topic.

	Walabio:

	I do not want to start a fight.  I just found it interesting that it is 1 of those quotations which seems to be incorrect or misattributed.  Here is 11 lists of 50 incorrect or misattributed quotations:

	http://youtube.com/user/MentalFlossVideo/videos

	It seems most quotations are incorrect or misattributed.

> 	Walabio:

> 	At any rate, none ever claimed that all DeathEaters believe the Dogma (I always suspected that Lucius Malfoy just wanted power and wealth; while, Wormtail just wanted to stand behind the biggest kid in the playground for protection), but many DeathEaters buy into the dogma: The Dark Lord believes it. The LeStranges in general and the fanatic Beatrix LeStrange in particular believe the dogma whole-heartedly.

> 	Bart:

> 	Morty is a half-blood. Also, as Dumbledore makes eminently clear, he is after nothing but power, and will say and do anything necessary to gain it. Morty, portrayed as a sociopath/psychopath, lacks the ability to think of other people as people; he sees them as objects to be manipulated to get whatever results he desires.

	Walabio:

	Certainly, the Dark Lord wants power and is a sadist enjoying torturing and killing others, but he has a genuine hatred a muggles,and muggleborns.  Being an halfblooded, he hates his mugglefather (he killed his father and paternal grandparents).  He happened to resemble his father, who, by all accounts, was handsome, so he transfigured himself not to look like his father, even though he made himself ugly in the process.

> 	Bart:

>>> 	On the other hand, the opponents of the Deatheaters are collectivists, willing to subvert their individual needs for the, if you will, "greater good". This is important; note that the trio managed to get through several key crises because Voldemort's forces got selfish, putting their own desires over service to their cause.

> 	Walabio:

>> 	I believe that you might confuse political communism with unit cohesion:

>> 	Militaryunits have to act in a coordinated way to be effective.  The order of the Phœnix does not have an overarching economic policy.

> 	Bart:

> 	I said "collectivist", and I meant "collectivist", not "communist". Also note that even the members of the goon squads were far more interested in who got the credit than in getting the job done.

	Walabio:

	Thanks for clarifying that.


	Walabio