From HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com Sun Nov 3 18:01:41 2013 From: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com (HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com) Date: 3 Nov 2013 18:01:41 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 11/3/2013, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1383501701.10.51331.m3@yahoogroups.com> No: HPFGUIDX 192563 Reminder from: HPforGrownups Yahoo Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/cal Weekly Chat Sunday November 3, 2013 1:00 pm - 2:00 pm (GMT-06.00) Central Time (US & Canada) Location: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Notes: Just a reminder, Sunday chat starts in about one hour. To get to the HPfGU room follow this link: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Create a user name for yourself, whatever you want to be called. Enter the password: hpfguchat Click "Join Chat" on the lower right. 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Corey From andy.mills at btinternet.com Mon Nov 18 22:13:37 2013 From: andy.mills at btinternet.com (Andy Mills) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 22:13:37 +0000 Subject: [HPforGrownups] umbridge helping Harry. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <528A9111.20005@btinternet.com> No: HPFGUIDX 192567 On 17/11/2013 13:05, corey wrote: > Hey group, I know this is going to sound completely crazy but I reread parts of the OotP, and I kind of got to thinking that Umbridge sorta of helped Harry. The reason I say that is cause maybe she unknowingly got him ready for what was to come. I know I'm most likely going to take some heat over this but just thought I'd throw it out there. I'm in no way a fan of Umbridge but I'm just saying it made me think a little. > > Corey I can sort of see where you're coming from. Umbridge was the character that made me most angry when I first read the books, the one apart from Voldemort who I really hated. Without her though, would Dumbledore's Army have ever been set up? All that teaching of others Harry did certainly helped build his confidence and also meant that others were ready to fight when the time came. So in a way, yes I suppose you could say that Umbridge did in a round about way, help to prepare Harry and the others for what was coming. AJM From bart at moosewise.com Tue Nov 19 02:32:45 2013 From: bart at moosewise.com (Bart Lidofsky) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 21:32:45 -0500 Subject: [HPforGrownups] umbridge helping Harry. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <528ACDCD.2010401@moosewise.com> No: HPFGUIDX 192568 On 11/17/2013 8:05 AM, corey wrote: > Hey group, I know this is going to sound completely crazy but I reread parts of the OotP, and I kind of got to thinking that Umbridge sorta of helped Harry. The reason I say that is cause maybe she unknowingly got him ready for what was to come. I know I'm most likely going to take some heat over this but just thought I'd throw it out there. I'm in no way a fan of Umbridge but I'm just saying it made me think a little. Bart: I've heard of con artists saying that they've done their victims a favor by making them more careful about their money in the future. Sort of the same thing. Or, as comedian Jackie Mason once said of Frank Sinatra, a mob connected singer he went afoul of: "Frank Sinatra once saved my life. He said, 'OK, boys, he's had enough!'" Bart From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com Thu Nov 21 08:01:37 2013 From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (Geoff) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 08:01:37 -0000 Subject: umbridge helping Harry. In-Reply-To: <528ACDCD.2010401@moosewise.com> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 192569 --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, Bart Lidofsky wrote: > > On 11/17/2013 8:05 AM, corey wrote: Corey: > > Hey group, I know this is going to sound completely crazy but I reread parts of the OotP, and I kind of got to thinking that Umbridge sorta of helped Harry. The reason I say that is cause maybe she unknowingly got him ready for what was to come. I know I'm most likely going to take some heat over this but just thought I'd throw it out there. I'm in no way a fan of Umbridge but I'm just saying it made me think a little. Bart: > I've heard of con artists saying that they've done their victims a > favor by making them more careful about their money in the future. Sort > of the same thing. > > Or, as comedian Jackie Mason once said of Frank Sinatra, a mob > connected singer he went afoul of: "Frank Sinatra once saved my life. He > said, 'OK, boys, he's had enough!'" Geoff: I agree with Bart - that actions by people can unintentionally help their opponents. Hitler's opening of a second front against Russia in 1940 has often been quoted as an enormous help to Western Europe after his failure to invade the UK in the summer. From coverton1982 at hotmail.com Thu Nov 21 13:20:00 2013 From: coverton1982 at hotmail.com (corey) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:20:00 -0600 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: umbridge helping Harry. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 192570 >> Bart: > I've heard of con artists saying that they've done their victims a > favor by making them more careful about their money in the future. Sort > of the same thing. > > Or, as comedian Jackie Mason once said of Frank Sinatra, a mob > connected singer he went afoul of: "Frank Sinatra once saved my life. He > said, 'OK, boys, he's had enough!'" > Geoff: I agree with Bart - that actions by people can unintentionally help their opponents. Hitler's opening of a second front against Russia in 1940 has often been quoted as an enormous help to Western Europe after his failure to invade the UK in the summer. > Corey: Yeah, I guess, but it's just too bad that Umbridge was the head of that muggle excuse thing. From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com Thu Nov 21 22:43:23 2013 From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (Geoff) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 22:43:23 -0000 Subject: umbridge helping Harry. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 192571 --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "corey" wrote: Bart: > > I've heard of con artists saying that they've done their victims a > > favor by making them more careful about their money in the future. Sort > > of the same thing. > > > > Or, as comedian Jackie Mason once said of Frank Sinatra, a mob > > connected singer he went afoul of: "Frank Sinatra once saved my life. He > > said, 'OK, boys, he's had enough!'" Geoff: > I agree with Bart - that actions by people can unintentionally help their > opponents. Hitler's opening of a second front against Russia in 1940 > has often been quoted as an enormous help to Western Europe after > his failure to invade the UK in the summer. Corey: > Yeah, I guess, but it's just too bad that Umbridge was the head of that muggle excuse thing. Geoff: Umbridge is a singularly unpleasant and dangerous woman. In our sightings of her in OOTP, among other things she appears to be obsessed with "Cornelius" - ie Fudge. This might be extreme sycophancy or something more underhand. She obviously enjoys (a) power - over other people and (b) being sadistic, traits which being in charge of Hogwarts allows her to exhibit. Once she is removed from the school her opportunity comes when Voldemort's supporters infiltrate the Ministry and the wheels effectively come off the administration of the Wizarding World, creating a situation where she can openly use the two traits I mentioned. Power and sadism are hers to utilise without fear of a comeback; hence her appearance in the Thicknesse Ministry and what is a blatant defection to the other side. It was bad, I agree but who was going to stop her? From lynde4 at gmail.com Thu Nov 21 23:14:49 2013 From: lynde4 at gmail.com (Lynda Cordova) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:14:49 -0800 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: umbridge helping Harry. In-Reply-To: References: <528ACDCD.2010401@moosewise.com> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 192572 > Geoff: > I agree with Bart - that actions by people can unintentionally help their > opponents. Hitler's opening of a second front against Russia in 1940 > has often been quoted as an enormous help to Western Europe after > his failure to invade the UK in the summer. No argument here. You've got a point. 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