From iam.kemper at gmail.com Sun Feb 2 05:40:46 2014 From: iam.kemper at gmail.com (iam.kemper at gmail.com) Date: 01 Feb 2014 21:40:46 -0800 Subject: JKR to Emma Watson: H should've married H Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 192584 Hey all, It's been some weeks, huh. What are people's thoughts on a the characterization of H or H: would they have married each other? Here's a link to the interview snippet: http://www.hypable.com/2014/02/01/jk-rowling-ron-hermione-relationship-regret-interview/ http://www.hypable.com/2014/02/01/jk-rowling-ron-hermione-relationship-regret-interview/ Kemper -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cresorchid at gmail.com Sun Feb 2 15:16:04 2014 From: cresorchid at gmail.com (Sandra Lynn) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 09:16:04 -0600 Subject: [HPforGrownups] JKR to Emma Watson: H should've married H In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 192585 I don't know about Hermione and Harry, but honestly I think Ron and Hermione are a lousy match. They are way too different. If I were the author (which I'm obviously not), I would have had Ron and Hermione try and fail at their relationship instead of Lavender and Ron. Anyway, I would have had Ron end up with Lavender after the war. Her experiences in the battle would have changed her so that she wasn't so shallow and she would have had much more in common with Ron than Hermione. I would be interested to see the whole article and JKRs reasoning about it all though. Mostly, I wonder why she wanted Ron and Hermione together. Although as people have said, Harry seemed to get everything, both good and bad, so it might have been too much of a strain on the friendship if Harry also ended up dating Hermione. Crescent On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 11:40 PM, wrote: > > > Hey all, > > It's been some weeks, huh. > What are people's thoughts on a the characterization of H or H: would they > have married each other? > > Here's a link to the interview snippet: > > http://www.hypable.com/2014/02/01/jk-rowling-ron-hermione-relationship-regret-interview/ > > Kemper > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lilandriss at yahoo.com Sun Feb 2 15:21:55 2014 From: lilandriss at yahoo.com (Alanna) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 08:21:55 -0700 Subject: [HPforGrownups] JKR to Emma Watson: H should've married H In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A52A789-6409-4426-8937-0A572E1E15BF@yahoo.com> No: HPFGUIDX 192586 Crescent: [huge snip] Anyway, I would have had Ron end up with Lavender after the war. lilandriss: Wasn't Lavender killed? -lilandriss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cresorchid at gmail.com Sun Feb 2 17:30:57 2014 From: cresorchid at gmail.com (Sandra Lynn) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 11:30:57 -0600 Subject: [HPforGrownups] JKR to Emma Watson: H should've married H In-Reply-To: <5A52A789-6409-4426-8937-0A572E1E15BF@yahoo.com> References: <5A52A789-6409-4426-8937-0A572E1E15BF@yahoo.com> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 192587 It is unknown. She was attacked by a werewolf and the movie shows her dead body but the book doesn't indicate whether she is killed or became a werewolf. In addition, I don't recall whether the battle took place on the full moon. If not, Lavender might end up like Bill Weasley. Crescent On Feb 2, 2014 11:19 AM, "Alanna" wrote: > > > Crescent: > [huge snip] > Anyway, I would have had Ron end up with Lavender after the war. > > lilandriss: > Wasn't Lavender killed? > -lilandriss > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willsonkmom at msn.com Sun Feb 2 18:00:10 2014 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (willsonkmom at msn.com) Date: 02 Feb 2014 10:00:10 -0800 Subject: JKR to Emma Watson: H should've married H In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 192588 This explains Ron's reaction to the Horcrux. It would be interesting to know when she started having second thoughts--the way the story is written now, the pairing seems right (not that we have to agree with it, but that it flowed within the the story line) -I think she would have had to make changes in the way the friendships developed and I take it she never went that far mentally. Harry has this "saving people thing" and it would have been harder to partner with Hermione if he also had romantic feelings---look at how he was always trying to protect Ginny. So, without this becoming "My favorite ship" how do you think other romances would have played out if JKR had shipped Harry and Hernione? Kathy (Potioncat) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ddankanyin at cox.net Mon Feb 3 03:02:37 2014 From: ddankanyin at cox.net (Dorothy Dankanyin) Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 22:02:37 -0500 Subject: [HPforGrownups] JKR to Emma Watson: H should've married H In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52EF06CD.5090701@cox.net> No: HPFGUIDX 192591 On 2/2/2014 12:40 AM, iam.kemper at gmail.com wrote: > > Hey all, > > It's been some weeks, huh. > What are people's thoughts on a the characterization of H or H: would > they have married each other? > > Here's a link to the interview snippet: > http://www.hypable.com/2014/02/01/jk-rowling-ron-hermione-relationship-regret-interview/ > > Kemper, I read this, and I thought that her original thought, that which she wrote and published, was the right thing. I know she said that she didn't want any upset fans, but Hermione and Harry are no way a good couple. That might have been accepted had we only knew that, but it sure wouldn't have been as interesting or as "real life" as the Hermione & Ron couple. Thank goodness she wrote what she first felt. Dorothy > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lynde4 at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 04:03:36 2014 From: lynde4 at gmail.com (Lynda Cordova) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 20:03:36 -0800 Subject: [HPforGrownups] JKR to Emma Watson: H should've married H In-Reply-To: <52EF06CD.5090701@cox.net> References: <52EF06CD.5090701@cox.net> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 192592 > Kemper: > Hey all, > It's been some weeks, huh. > What are people's thoughts on a the characterization of H or H: would they > have married each other? > > Here's a link to the interview snippet: > > http://www.hypable.com/2014/02/01/jk-rowling-ron-hermione-relationship-regret-interview/ > > Dorothy: > I read this, and I thought that her original thought, that which she > wrote and published, was the right thing. I know she said that she didn't > want any upset fans, but Hermione and Harry are no way a good couple. That > might have been accepted had we only knew that, but it sure wouldn't have > been as interesting or as "real life" as the Hermione & Ron couple. Thank > goodness she wrote what she first felt. Lynda: I think that Harry and Ginny are the right match. As far as Hermione and Ron that works too. I'm not a great fan of people marrying people who are too much like themselves. Way too boring that way. Got to have some differences. Lynda From margdean56 at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 20:58:18 2014 From: margdean56 at gmail.com (Margaret Dean) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 13:58:18 -0700 Subject: [HPforGrownups] JKR to Emma Watson: H should've married H In-Reply-To: References: <52EF06CD.5090701@cox.net> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 192593 On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Lynda Cordova wrote: > > > > > > Kemper: > > > Hey all, > > It's been some weeks, huh. > > What are people's thoughts on a the characterization of H or H: would > they > > have married each other? > > > > Here's a link to the interview snippet: > > > > > http://www.hypable.com/2014/02/01/jk-rowling-ron-hermione-relationship-regret-interview/ > > > > > Dorothy: > > > I read this, and I thought that her original thought, that which she > > wrote and published, was the right thing. I know she said that she didn't > > want any upset fans, but Hermione and Harry are no way a good couple. > That > > might have been accepted had we only knew that, but it sure wouldn't have > > been as interesting or as "real life" as the Hermione & Ron couple. Thank > > goodness she wrote what she first felt. > > Lynda: > I think that Harry and Ginny are the right match. As far as Hermione and > Ron that works too. I'm not a great fan of people marrying people who are > too much like themselves. Way too boring that way. Got to have some > differences. > Margaret: I think that without the relationship with Hermione to anchor him, Ron would have drifted out of the plot altogether -- and he's needed there to provide a wizarding-world perspective to Harry (and the trio) to balance Hermione's mundane-world one. I also think it's more meaningful for Harry to have a female *friend *(rather than, or in addition to, a love interest), especially since he has no siblings. --Margaret Dean > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ladyljd at yahoo.com Mon Feb 3 21:37:09 2014 From: ladyljd at yahoo.com (ladyljd) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 21:37:09 -0000 Subject: JKR to Emma Watson: H should've married H In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 192594 I think this quote from JKR explains everything wrong with the resolution of the series: "... It was a choice I made for very personal reasons, not for reasons of credibility. ..." --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hey all, > It's been some weeks, huh. > What are people's thoughts on a the characterization of H or H: would they have married each other? > > > Here's a link to the interview snippet: > http://www.hypable.com/2014/02/01/jk-rowling-ron-hermione-relationship-regret-interview/ http://www.hypable.com/2014/02/01/jk-rowling-ron-hermione-relationship-regret-interview/ > > > > Kemper > From foxmoth at qnet.com Tue Feb 4 16:00:13 2014 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com) Date: 04 Feb 2014 08:00:13 -0800 Subject: JKR to Emma Watson: H should've married H In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 192595 --In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, wrote: I think this quote from JKR explains everything wrong with the resolution of the series: "... It was a choice I made for very personal reasons, not for reasons of credibility. ..." Pippin: JKR always said she was writing to please herself, and more power to her -- if the story as written hadn't been meaningful to her, she wouldn't have written it at all. Her job as a novelist was to make it meaningful to the readers too. Obviously she had more success with some readers than with others. There was never a hope of pleasing us all. But the downside of writing to please yourself is that self is a more malleable concept than we realize. People tend to project their current feelings into the past while assuming they will never feel much differently than they do now. That being the case, JKR may have forgotten how fervently she once defended H/R, but I imagine there are H/H'ers still smarting over the "delusional" comment of years ago (to be fair, IIRC it was the interviewer's word, not hers.) All that being said, I don't think it was realistic that there wasn't even a spark of romantic feeling between Harry and Hermione, and if JKR had allowed that storyline to develop they might have ended up together. But there's an element of wish fulfillment in projecting a happy future for that romance or any other -- if we could actually predict which couples were going to be happy together nineteen years on, the divorce rate would be a whole lot lower than it is. Ron and Hermione could certainly stand to learn a less aggressive style of conflict management and relationship counseling could help with that. But Harry doesn't know how to argue without being aggressive either. Unlike Ron and Hermione, he hates being aggressive with his friends, so he simply avoids arguing, which means he avoids communicating. Not a strategy for long term intimacy, IMO. If Harry and Hermione didn't find away to air their differences constructively, they might become one of those couples who drift apart without ever realizing it, until they find to their horror that they're unalterably committed to incompatible goals. The H/H fanfiction that I've read tends to avoid that issue by making Harry and Hermione so magically simpatico that serious disagreements simply never arise -- and if that's not a wish fulfillment scenario, I'll eat my pointy hat. Pippin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k12listmomma at comcast.net Wed Feb 5 13:56:15 2014 From: k12listmomma at comcast.net (Shelley) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 06:56:15 -0700 Subject: [HPforGrownups] JKR to Emma Watson: H should've married H In-Reply-To: References: <52EF06CD.5090701@cox.net> Message-ID: <52F242FF.4090508@comcast.net> No: HPFGUIDX 192596 > Kemper: > Hey all, > It's been some weeks, huh. > What are people's thoughts on a the characterization of H or H: would they > have married each other? > > Here's a link to the interview snippet: > > http://www.hypable.com/2014/02/01/jk-rowling-ron-hermione-relationship-regret-interview/ > >> Dorothy: >> I read this, and I thought that her original thought, that which she >> wrote and published, was the right thing. I know she said that she didn't >> want any upset fans, but Hermione and Harry are no way a good couple. That >> might have been accepted had we only knew that, but it sure wouldn't have >> been as interesting or as "real life" as the Hermione & Ron couple. Thank >> goodness she wrote what she first felt. Shelley: I never thought the Ron-Hermione mix would have worked- I always thought that pairing was awful. Having said that, I don't think this "revelation" is a good thing though. You've written your book, it's a huge success, and I think it's wrong to go back and said "I should have heart the change it". The pairings you are writing colors the whole book- the interaction of the three together and the moodiness of Ron during all those camping trips that Voldemort exploited. So many other plot points would have changed- it would have been a different series. This is no small "thing" she's talking about. As for Harry, if he was going to be shipped with Hermione, then most of the plot with Ginny sorta goes away? Or, she becomes one who had a crush on Harry and then decides to move on, and they still keep the friendship, paving the way for Harry to be with someone else. She could have written it that Harry had a ton of "fan girls" who worshipped the ground he walked on, and yet instead she had him alone and feeling isolated from the other students (Chamber of Secrets)- Ginny made sense in that she never stopped believing in him. Hermione, I always felt, would have been like "kissing your sister". She's so full of herself anyway, that I really can't see her fully partners with someone who was as competitent as Harry. It'd be too much of a competition. (It'd be a two first born marriage, for those who have read anything about Kevin Lemin and his birth order research- two first borns in a marriage tend to butt heads a lot as they are both used to being the leader and taking charge, and you can't have both partners in charge at the same time.) I am personally in a marriage like that, and it can work long term (we've been together 26 years), but it's only because each of us are too damned stubborn to quit. There's constant tension that never really goes away. You only solve it by each having his/her own demain to be in charge of. Ron, in that respect, is a youngest and is used to constant making compromises, and so he would be giving in to Hermione a lot (the yes-dear type of relationship). I just don't like the idea that she's trying to rewrite the book long after it's finished- I think it's disrespectful to the readership. Shelley From ddankanyin at cox.net Wed Feb 5 20:50:17 2014 From: ddankanyin at cox.net (Dorothy Dankanyin) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 15:50:17 -0500 Subject: [HPforGrownups] JKR to Emma Watson: H should've married H In-Reply-To: References: <52EF06CD.5090701@cox.net> Message-ID: <52F2A409.2050900@cox.net> No: HPFGUIDX 192597 On 2/5/2014 8:56 AM, Shelley wrote: > > Hermione, I always felt, > would have been like "kissing your sister". She's so full of herself > anyway, that I really can't see her fully partners with someone who was > as competitent as Harry. It'd be too much of a competition. (It'd be a > two first born marriage, for those who have read anything about Kevin > Lemin and his birth order research- two first borns in a marriage tend > to butt heads a lot as they are both used to being the leader and taking > charge, and you can't have both partners in charge at the same time.) I > am personally in a marriage like that, and it can work long term (we've > been together 26 years), but it's only because each of us are too damned > stubborn to quit. There's constant tension that never really goes away. > You only solve it by each having his/her own demain to be in charge of. > Dorothy: I know this isn't reflective of the story, but my husband and I, both first born, have been married over 50 years, and not because of continuous tension. As corny as it sounds (this reflective of a comment in The Sorcerer's Stone), it's because of love. > Shelly: > > Ron, in that respect, is a youngest and is used to constant making > compromises, and so he would be giving in to Hermione a lot (the > yes-dear type of relationship). I just don't like the idea that she's > trying to rewrite the book long after it's finished- I think it's > disrespectful to the readership. > > Dorothy: Ron's not the youngest in his family, Ginny is. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kat7555 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 5 23:40:05 2014 From: kat7555 at yahoo.com (kat7555 at yahoo.com) Date: 05 Feb 2014 15:40:05 -0800 Subject: JKR to Emma Watson: H should've married H In-Reply-To: <52F242FF.4090508@comcast.net> References: <52EF06CD.5090701@cox.net> <52F242FF.4090508@comcast.net> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 192598 I think JK Rowling wanted the trio to be a member of the Weasly family. I could never see Ron and Hermonie together. He's a slacker and she was driven to be successful. I would have been fine if they had remained close friends but married other people. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com Sun Feb 9 18:01:48 2014 From: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com (HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com) Date: 9 Feb 2014 18:01:48 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 2/9/2014, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1391968908.14.66592.m4@yahoogroups.com> No: HPFGUIDX 192599 Reminder from: HPforGrownups Yahoo Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/cal Weekly Chat Sunday February 9, 2014 1:00 pm - 2:00 pm (GMT-06.00) Central Time (US & Canada) Location: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Notes: Just a reminder, Sunday chat starts in about one hour. To get to the HPfGU room follow this link: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Create a user name for yourself, whatever you want to be called. Enter the password: hpfguchat Click "Join Chat" on the lower right. Chat start times: 11 am Pacific US 12 noon Mountain US 1 pm Central US 2 pm Eastern US 7 pm UK All Rights Reserved Copyright 2014 Yahoo! 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I just don't like the idea that she's >> trying to rewrite the book long after it's finished- I think it's >> disrespectful to the readership. >> >> Dorothy: Ron's not the youngest in his family, Ginny is. > But in Kevin Lemin's evaluations, he takes into account sex order as well as birth order- so youngest of the boys also counts as a youngest. And, near the bottom of a large family puts them more in the youngest category than a middle of the family category. Point is, when paired with a first born, the first born is dominant, and the middle or youngest child becomes the compromising one, or the one giving in all the time to make things flow better. Shelley -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lynde4 at gmail.com Wed Feb 12 03:23:20 2014 From: lynde4 at gmail.com (Lynda Cordova) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 19:23:20 -0800 Subject: [HPforGrownups] JKR to Emma Watson: H should've married H In-Reply-To: <52F7A861.7050201@comcast.net> References: <52EF06CD.5090701@cox.net> <52F2A409.2050900@cox.net> <52F7A861.7050201@comcast.net> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 192601 > Shelley: > Ron, in that respect, is a youngest and is used to constant making > compromises, and so he would be giving in to Hermione a lot (the > yes-dear type of relationship). I just don't like the idea that she's > trying to rewrite the book long after it's finished- I think it's > disrespectful to the readership. > > Dorothy: Ron's not the youngest in his family, Ginny is. > > > Shelley: > But in Kevin Lemin's evaluations, he takes into account sex order as well > as birth order- so youngest of the boys also counts as a youngest. And, > near the bottom of a large family puts them more in the youngest category > than a middle of the family category. Point is, when paired with a first > born, the first born is dominant, and the middle or youngest child becomes > the compromising one, or the one giving in all the time to make things flow > better. Lynda: Well, you know in real life, people marry people who they are drawn to both for the similarities and the differences. You might be a teacher who marries a teacher, for instance but maybe you teach high-school math and your spouse teaches third grade, or maybe you work as a secretary and your spouse works as an accountant. Someone said that Ron is a slacker, but I never saw him that way. The reason he held back from completing things was that he didn't like being nagged. Give him a chance to do the work and he would. I know a lot of people like that. So, Jo Rowling wrote a story, and her story put characters together in certain couplings. Some of us liked them, some of us didn't. But still, it's been written. Now, unless Rowling writes another story in which those couplings are changed, she's kind of stuck with them. Lynda From foxmoth at qnet.com Wed Feb 12 17:53:36 2014 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com) Date: 12 Feb 2014 09:53:36 -0800 Subject: [HPforGrownups] JKR to Emma Watson: H should've married H In-Reply-To: References: <52EF06CD.5090701@cox.net> <52F2A409.2050900@cox.net> <52F7A861.7050201@comcast.net> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 192602 > Shelley: > Ron, in that respect, is a youngest and is used to constant making > compromises, and so he would be giving in to Hermione a lot (the > yes-dear type of relationship). I just don't like the idea that she's > trying to rewrite the book long after it's finished- I think it's > disrespectful to the readership. You can read the whole interview here http://www.jkrowling.com/uploads/documents/en_GB-press-wonderland-interview-1391774615.pdf http://www.jkrowling.com/uploads/documents/en_GB-press-wonderland-interview-1391774615.pdf (I had to fool around with the zoom on my browser to make it legible). It turns out that reports of the death of R/H are greatly exaggerated. Rowling never said that Hermione should've married Harry instead, or that Ron and Hermione's relationship was doomed. She's definitely not trying to rewrite the book, just acknowledging that her perspective on some things has changed. Rowling had never been happily married when she conceived the books and started writing them, so it's not surprising that her earlier take on marriage was spun more out of desire than knowledge. So read the interview everyone, and tell us what you think now. Pippin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lynde4 at gmail.com Thu Feb 13 01:54:43 2014 From: lynde4 at gmail.com (Lynda Cordova) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 17:54:43 -0800 Subject: [HPforGrownups] JKR to Emma Watson: H should've married H In-Reply-To: References: <52EF06CD.5090701@cox.net> <52F2A409.2050900@cox.net> <52F7A861.7050201@comcast.net> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 192603 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:53 AM, wrote: > Shelley: > Ron, in that respect, is a youngest and is used to constant making > compromises, and so he would be giving in to Hermione a lot (the > yes-dear type of relationship). I just don't like the idea that she's > trying to rewrite the book long after it's finished- I think it's > disrespectful to the readership. Pippin: You can read the whole interview here http://www.jkrowling.com/uploads/documents/en_GB-press-wonderland-interview-1391774615.pdf http://www.jkrowling.com/uploads/documents/en_GB-press-wonderland-interview-1391774615.pdf (I had to fool around with the zoom on my browser to make it legible). It turns out that reports of the death of R/H are greatly exaggerated. Rowling never said that Hermione should've married Harry instead, or that Ron and Hermione's relationship was doomed. She's definitely not trying to rewrite the book, just acknowledging that her perspective on some things has changed. Rowling had never been happily married when she conceived the books and started writing them, so it's not surprising that her earlier take on marriage was spun more out of desire than knowledge. So read the interview everyone, and tell us what you think now. Lynda: I read the article several days ago. Here's the deal. She now sees Ron and Hermione's relationship as being one, which in actuality would be as she puts it, doomed. Everyone who is or has been married knows that it's hard work. Required by both parties. Would Ron and Hermione have had problems? Yep. Lots of them. And I'm not going to do any glossing over and say that love can solve all problems, because that's pure rubbish and probably everyone reading this email will know it. But that doesn't mean that the relationship is doomed. That means that there needs to be a lot of learning relationship and communication skills and how to deal with each other. That's how marriages survive. Now, back when all my friends and I were all reading the books as they were being written, we used to talk about pairings and I always said, "You know, if when they're adults, been married to the ones Rowling puts them with for years, something should happen to Ron and Ginny to take them out of the picture, Harry and Hermione would make wonderful second spouses for each other." Everyone laughed at me. Just sayin' Lynda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 13 03:34:00 2014 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com) Date: 12 Feb 2014 19:34:00 -0800 Subject: JKR to Emma Watson: H should've married H In-Reply-To: References: <52EF06CD.5090701@cox.net> <52F2A409.2050900@cox.net> <52F7A861.7050201@comcast.net> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 192604 Oookay looks like Yahoomort dear is playing tricks on me again, but let's see. Honestly my first reaction to the interview was - book was written, while the books were in making of course I wanted to know more of what she intended. Now, truly, really I do not. She is stuck with what is on page and I always thought she supported Ron/Hermione reasonably well. Not that I really cared who anybody would end up with, or that their school loves are going to be still same after many years (Glad that they were happy in the epilogue, again, would have been fine if their love interests would have been different, or if they were single). That's my two cents. Alla -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foxmoth at qnet.com Fri Feb 14 17:41:40 2014 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com) Date: 14 Feb 2014 09:41:40 -0800 Subject: JKR to Emma Watson: H should've married H In-Reply-To: References: <52EF06CD.5090701@cox.net> <52F2A409.2050900@cox.net> <52F7A861.7050201@comcast.net> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 192605 Alla: (Glad that they were happy in the epilogue, again, would have been fine if their love interests would have been different, or if they were single). Pippin: As an R/H'er from Book One, I will admit to feeling a flicker of betrayal on first reading the report now enshrined as our topic line for this thread, but that appears to be a product of Skeeterism, not JKR's fickle heart. IMO, the happy marriages in the epilogue have an artistic purpose, symbolizing the renewal of the social order whose disintegration was signified by the murder of Harry's parents and the disastrous addition of Harry to the household at Privet Drive. That who ended up with who was a matter of JKR's personal taste rather than her artistic judgement isn't terribly important to me. I do think she was wise to avoid the war movie cliche of having the two best buds fall for the same girl, even if it was a bit of a stretch to stop it from happening. Of course Emma Watson, bless her, is more of a knockout than Hermione ever was, even all glammed up for the ball. If we visualize Hermione as Emma Watson's character, Harry would have to have been stone dead not to be attracted to her. Pippin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com Sun Feb 16 18:01:47 2014 From: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com (HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com) Date: 16 Feb 2014 18:01:47 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 2/16/2014, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1392573707.17.54917.m1@yahoogroups.com> No: HPFGUIDX 192606 Reminder from: HPforGrownups Yahoo Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/cal Weekly Chat Sunday February 16, 2014 1:00 pm - 2:00 pm (GMT-06.00) Central Time (US & Canada) Location: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Notes: Just a reminder, Sunday chat starts in about one hour. To get to the HPfGU room follow this link: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Create a user name for yourself, whatever you want to be called. Enter the password: hpfguchat Click "Join Chat" on the lower right. Chat start times: 11 am Pacific US 12 noon Mountain US 1 pm Central US 2 pm Eastern US 7 pm UK All Rights Reserved Copyright 2014 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 20 02:33:46 2014 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com) Date: 19 Feb 2014 18:33:46 -0800 Subject: JKR to Emma Watson: H should've married H In-Reply-To: References: <52EF06CD.5090701@cox.net> <52F2A409.2050900@cox.net> <52F7A861.7050201@comcast.net> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 192607 The thing is, why should it be important to you whether she portrayed Hermione and Ron because she liked them together or because she judged them suited well as artist? In fact the attempt to divide the two (not by you, by JKR) feels so weird to me. I mean, she liked them together for whatever reason, maybe she remembered her crush in school and imagined herself as Hermione (complete and wild unsupported speculation), or for whatever reason really. So she liked them and as an artist she wrote about them reasonably convincingly IMO. That's all what should matter now for us of course JMO. As to marriages, sure, I get what they symbolized - I just think that it would have felt more believable to leave the idea as to whether it is possible to meet your forever true love and never, ever date anybody else when you are eleven up to reader's imagination. Because while I am not the one to deny teenage love (as I am sure I mentioned before close member of the family met his wife when they were sixteen-seventeen), I think it is rare and meeting each other as kids is so rare that could be eye rolling. I love these characters, I cheered for their happiness, still do, but the more time passes the more I feel that I would loved open ended epilogue in regard to their romantic entanglements. Alla -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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