[HPforGrownups] Did Dumbledore ultimately redeem himself?

[Lynda Cordova]

No: HPFGUIDX 192882

I was going to mention this myself. The characters don't so much redeem
themselves as they are redeemed. It's a very Christian concept. We do not
redeem ourselves. We are redeemed by another.


Lynda


On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 10:51 AM, foxmoth at qnet.com [HPforGrownups] <
HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com> wrote:


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> Commenting generally on this thread:
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> Harry recognizes and remembers Dumbledore (and Snape!) as a force for good
> -- if that's not redemption, what is?
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> But I don't think any of the characters redeem themselves, if you mean the
> sort of episode where a character who has acted badly suddenly sees the
> light, proves it by showing up to rescue Our Heroes in the nick of time,
> and is thereafter  a good guy through and through.

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> I don't think you can redeem *yourself* in the Potterverse. It takes a

> higher power, which may come in a guise you find hard to accept and may
> consider you worth saving for reasons that  appear self-serving. Above all
> it takes *time*. Snape changed sides and Dumbledore gave up his ambition to
> dominate the Muggle world, but they hardly seemed redeemed at that moment.
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> As to whether it was fair to say that Harry was raised like a pig for
> slaughter, I don't think so. Though it's never explicitly stated, the
> "gleam of triumph" in Book Four suggests that among Dumbledore's many
> schemes was a plan to save Harry by nudging Voldemort towards using Harry's
> blood in his resurrection, thus keeping Lily's protection in place.
>
> Dumbledore does not show as much courage as Snape, but consider that if he
> could be overthrown by the likes of Draco Malfoy, then he was in peril
> every time he did battle for Harry--which he never hesitated to do.
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> Pippin
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